And that is why most cars come with a lot of understeer from the factory... because of idiot drivers who do stupid things and don't really know how to handle a car (but they think they do).

I always cringe when I read that people are adding thicker rear bars or tie bars in the rear. I have to wonder do they know how they are changing the handling characteristics of their car...

yah he turned into the guy next to him and tried to overcorrect, was probably jerking that wheel around too fast and lost traction to the ground, and was hitting the brakes at the same time, u accelerate out of situations like that gradually.

:werd: Paying attention to your surroundings while hurling a large rolling metal object down the road is a very powerful concept.

very well said:thumbup: