Raps effect on the youth of America
05-10-2003 | 03:41 PM
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Wow... with the mature responses in this thread, it's almost "ON TOPIC" material...
I agree with 18secferio about the environment influencing people... I see people in my area that are poor, and the way they were brought up reflects how they live now, & vice versa. It seems to me that people don't better themselves not because they can't, but because that's what they know & are comfortable with... and it's hard to leave something that you're comfortable with b/c it's predictable, and, well... comfortable. This, however, is not to say that all people in the ghetto choose to be there...
In my area it's not so extreme (generally it's white HS dropouts that live in a delapitated (sp?!) single-wide with a dozen kids, just like their parents, and their parent's parents, etc.), but I could see how it could apply to urban settings as well...
And one should note that not all people who live in the ghetto are black... there are whites & azns & hispanics in the ghetto as well, and I also agree that rap is a cultural symbol, not totally of the black culture, but of a "ghetto" culture...
I agree with 18secferio about the environment influencing people... I see people in my area that are poor, and the way they were brought up reflects how they live now, & vice versa. It seems to me that people don't better themselves not because they can't, but because that's what they know & are comfortable with... and it's hard to leave something that you're comfortable with b/c it's predictable, and, well... comfortable. This, however, is not to say that all people in the ghetto choose to be there...
In my area it's not so extreme (generally it's white HS dropouts that live in a delapitated (sp?!) single-wide with a dozen kids, just like their parents, and their parent's parents, etc.), but I could see how it could apply to urban settings as well...
And one should note that not all people who live in the ghetto are black... there are whites & azns & hispanics in the ghetto as well, and I also agree that rap is a cultural symbol, not totally of the black culture, but of a "ghetto" culture...
05-10-2003 | 04:01 PM
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I am going to have to both agree and disagree with your comments b_dyche.
I grew up in the "ghetto" and as you pointed out it wasn't by choice we moved there, but even growing up in hard times and bad circumstances one can choose to rise above the situation and make responsible decisions.
The reason I say this is because people hold Tupac up as some sort of saint and he is possibly one of the worst representatives for rap/hip hop out there. He is nothing but negative (even his Machaveli album) and did nothing positive for the comunity (black or otherwise) he talked about death and shooting and "busting a cap." Screw Tupac and his hater lifestyle.
I grew up around drugs and violence every day and I got caught up just like 70% of the kids in my hood but I also made the decision to leave it behind at some point and grow up.
Talking about the environment only counts for as long as you live there....most these "rap stars" get their first check, buy a nice house in a new neighborhood and instantly their credibility is diminished, or gone completely.
I grew up in the "ghetto" and as you pointed out it wasn't by choice we moved there, but even growing up in hard times and bad circumstances one can choose to rise above the situation and make responsible decisions.
The reason I say this is because people hold Tupac up as some sort of saint and he is possibly one of the worst representatives for rap/hip hop out there. He is nothing but negative (even his Machaveli album) and did nothing positive for the comunity (black or otherwise) he talked about death and shooting and "busting a cap." Screw Tupac and his hater lifestyle.
I grew up around drugs and violence every day and I got caught up just like 70% of the kids in my hood but I also made the decision to leave it behind at some point and grow up.
Talking about the environment only counts for as long as you live there....most these "rap stars" get their first check, buy a nice house in a new neighborhood and instantly their credibility is diminished, or gone completely.
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05-10-2003 | 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by 03accordcoupe
All I listen to is rap...ya, nothing else. Ebonics however is an accepted dialect, its not just like people are trying to seem uneducated, its a class in some schools. However...I still laugh every time I see an ignorant white kid bumping rap and trying to act all ghetto fab when I'm sure he's never left his secluded small town or suburb.
All I listen to is rap...ya, nothing else. Ebonics however is an accepted dialect, its not just like people are trying to seem uneducated, its a class in some schools. However...I still laugh every time I see an ignorant white kid bumping rap and trying to act all ghetto fab when I'm sure he's never left his secluded small town or suburb.
Haha that's just like here.
05-10-2003 | 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by 94AccordSedanEX
This thread is filled with ignorance all over.
This thread is filled with ignorance all over.
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05-10-2003 | 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by FromTheBottom
the music that's most sold in the world is pop, be it popular rap, country, rock, r&b, whatever. this music is produced to sell records, it's there for entertainment. very little popular music out there today complies with the true roots of the music. and it's not selling out, it's being successful in a market industry.
the music that's most sold in the world is pop, be it popular rap, country, rock, r&b, whatever. this music is produced to sell records, it's there for entertainment. very little popular music out there today complies with the true roots of the music. and it's not selling out, it's being successful in a market industry.
sadly, this tends to be a negative effect when it comes to the glorified sex and violence that popular rap music depicts.
note the uses of the word popular, as this in no way reflects the good that music from talib kweli, nas, mos def, the roots, etc does. they promote consciousness, bettering of social conditions, etc. it's all comes down to the listener becoming engulfed in the music's image.
Originally posted by b_dyche
Wow... with the mature responses in this thread, it's almost "ON TOPIC" material...
Wow... with the mature responses in this thread, it's almost "ON TOPIC" material...
I agree with 18secferio about the environment influencing people... I see people in my area that are poor, and the way they were brought up reflects how they live now, & vice versa. It seems to me that people don't better themselves not because they can't, but because that's what they know & are comfortable with... and it's hard to leave something that you're comfortable with b/c it's predictable, and, well... comfortable. This, however, is not to say that all people in the ghetto choose to be there...
In my area it's not so extreme (generally it's white HS dropouts that live in a delapitated (sp?!) single-wide with a dozen kids, just like their parents, and their parent's parents, etc.), but I could see how it could apply to urban settings as well...
And one should note that not all people who live in the ghetto are black... there are whites & azns & hispanics in the ghetto as well, and I also agree that rap is a cultural symbol, not totally of the black culture, but of a "ghetto" culture...
And one should note that not all people who live in the ghetto are black... there are whites & azns & hispanics in the ghetto as well, and I also agree that rap is a cultural symbol, not totally of the black culture, but of a "ghetto" culture...
the thing that baffles me, tho. Why do we glorify the "ghetto" culture.
its like with punk rock. Why do most punks choose the worst group of the genre (misfits :fawk: ) as their icon
Originally posted by Nightshade
I am going to have to both agree and disagree with your comments b_dyche.
I grew up in the "ghetto" and as you pointed out it wasn't by choice we moved there, but even growing up in hard times and bad circumstances one can choose to rise above the situation and make responsible decisions.
The reason I say this is because people hold Tupac up as some sort of saint and he is possibly one of the worst representatives for rap/hip hop out there. He is nothing but negative (even his Machaveli album) and did nothing positive for the comunity (black or otherwise) he talked about death and shooting and "busting a cap." Screw Tupac and his hater lifestyle.
I grew up around drugs and violence every day and I got caught up just like 70% of the kids in my hood but I also made the decision to leave it behind at some point and grow up.
Talking about the environment only counts for as long as you live there....most these "rap stars" get their first check, buy a nice house in a new neighborhood and instantly their credibility is diminished, or gone completely.
I am going to have to both agree and disagree with your comments b_dyche.
I grew up in the "ghetto" and as you pointed out it wasn't by choice we moved there, but even growing up in hard times and bad circumstances one can choose to rise above the situation and make responsible decisions.
The reason I say this is because people hold Tupac up as some sort of saint and he is possibly one of the worst representatives for rap/hip hop out there. He is nothing but negative (even his Machaveli album) and did nothing positive for the comunity (black or otherwise) he talked about death and shooting and "busting a cap." Screw Tupac and his hater lifestyle.
I grew up around drugs and violence every day and I got caught up just like 70% of the kids in my hood but I also made the decision to leave it behind at some point and grow up.
Talking about the environment only counts for as long as you live there....most these "rap stars" get their first check, buy a nice house in a new neighborhood and instantly their credibility is diminished, or gone completely.
Originally posted by 94AccordSedanEX
This thread is filled with ignorance all over.
This thread is filled with ignorance all over.
Originally posted by aux
mainstream> udnerground. goddamn underground stuff sounds like ass.
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mainstream> udnerground. goddamn underground stuff sounds like ass.
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05-10-2003 | 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by 18secFerio
you're white, arn't you?
you're white, arn't you?
I think maybe it is in the moral fibre of the person in how they want to come up. If all they see is negative things in their life then it is easy to play the victim and do negative things, but the stronger person sees a way out or to stop the negative from taking over their life.
If I had wanted to I could have done the same thing I could have said that I was discriminated against ecause I wa one of a few white kids in an all black and hispanic school. Instead I saw it as a way to learn new things and grow from the experience......of course I was also dealing drugs and packing guns at the time too.
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05-10-2003 | 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by Nightshade
Yes I am but what would this have anything to do with it? I have had many black/hispanic/asian friends who did the same as well as many more who kept going the negative route.
I think maybe it is in the moral fibre of the person in how they want to come up. If all they see is negative things in their life then it is easy to play the victim and do negative things, but the stronger person sees a way out or to stop the negative from taking over their life.
If I had wanted to I could have done the same thing I could have said that I was discriminated against ecause I wa one of a few white kids in an all black and hispanic school. Instead I saw it as a way to learn new things and grow from the experience......of course I was also dealing drugs and packing guns at the time too.
Yes I am but what would this have anything to do with it? I have had many black/hispanic/asian friends who did the same as well as many more who kept going the negative route.
I think maybe it is in the moral fibre of the person in how they want to come up. If all they see is negative things in their life then it is easy to play the victim and do negative things, but the stronger person sees a way out or to stop the negative from taking over their life.
If I had wanted to I could have done the same thing I could have said that I was discriminated against ecause I wa one of a few white kids in an all black and hispanic school. Instead I saw it as a way to learn new things and grow from the experience......of course I was also dealing drugs and packing guns at the time too.
but I'll be willing to bet whites are more likely to do so.
come on, be realistic. Whites don't like the ghetto. If you're going to be poor and white, your ass lives in either a trailer or out in some countrish area.
05-10-2003 | 05:14 PM
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The problem here isn't hip hop or rap music, it's mainstream music that the critics and the masses listen to that gives the bad name. 99% of hip hop is underground, and most people don't realize that. That being said, I personally don't see anything wrong with a person expressing themselves, their lives, and their feelings through their music. Sometimes this may involve talking about things that certain people don't like. But, that is what's so great about this country, we have the freedom of speech. Generally speaking the people who object to this music are those that don't know what that lifestyle is like. Parents, activists, and politicians from middle-upper white class suburbia voicing their opinions, and those are the protests that we see. I say if you don't like it, deal with it or don't listen to the music...period.