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Old 03-28-2003 | 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by Teg711
okay racism and sexual orientation are definately different

one does not choose what color he will become

one however does choose which sex s/he will do the nasty with

i have a couple friends and an uncle that are total fags and you know what my uncle constantly tells me? I HATE GAY PEOPLE. it's not the fact that they're gay, it's how they act, not all, but a good most of them...
That's an ignorant thing to say. I never chose it, I know many people that never chose it. It's more than a sexual drive. It's not that. It's different. I don't expect people on the board to understand (but I'm sure there are more than JUST me that are gay) but I do wish BOTH of it would stop. I'm not in the wrong. Get out there, talk to people. I'm not wrong for being this way. I will defend what I say.

Who would choose to be gay? I didn't. I don't like this life, I can't change it. I hear so much ignorant things being said. I figure, maybe a few, or just one, person here will understand and change their ways and not be so nasty. But, I'm hoping. Living a life full of hate and ignorance is no way to live.
Old 03-28-2003 | 10:00 PM
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i don't hate anybody, i don't hate my uncle, i don't hate my gay friends, i don't think it's right to make a blanket statement like that at all.

look a whole bunch of factors drop into your sexual preference, psychological aspects, social climates, and some will argue genes. i don't care. be gay, have fun, go shove your shit up some guys ass...quit being so ashamed about the life you have chosen and have fun...
Old 03-28-2003 | 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by Teg711
i don't hate anybody, i don't hate my uncle, i don't hate my gay friends, i don't think it's right to make a blanket statement like that at all.

look a whole bunch of factors drop into your sexual preference, psychological aspects, social climates, and some will argue genes. i don't care. be gay, have fun, go shove your shit up some guys ass...quit being so ashamed about the life you have chosen and have fun...
Blanket statements covered by blanket statements? All right. I never chose it. I know many people do not believe that, but I was asked this before, how do I know 100% that I am and my response was "before you had sex with a girl, how did you know 100% you were straight, it's just something that's there." And, that made them understand. Now, granting, this person (he's on the board, I won't say his name because you'll harass him out) is already very nice and accepting to begin with. I'm done with this, you people think what you want. I made an attempt, you choose what you want to think, informed or misinformed. But believe me not, someday, this is going to become a topic on the board and an association can get the board (whoever owns it) in legal trouble. I do not say this as an enemy, I would never do that, because I do like this board in general. (I do believe that everybody is good somewhere in their heads'). However, somebody IS going to come along and do that. I didn't question this to get myself attention. What I did parallel topics that are, although disputable, can be very similar.

Thanks everybody for at least reading what I have to say. I understand, I suppose, if you don't agree, but don't hate me for questioning. Adios.
Old 03-28-2003 | 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by Black2000GSR
Maybe because that's just who they tend to be friends with. How many people do you see that have really good friends of a different race? I personally don't see it very often at all. All of my friends that I hang around with on a regular basis are Greek. does that mean we're racist?
I see al ot of people that are really good friends with people of different races. My girlfriend is white, two of my 5 best friends are white. The area I grew up around you would see A LOT of different races hanging out with each other. Now that I live in tlanta I still see it alot here as well. By having a show that ONLY has a main cast as well as an extended cast tells you something about the writiers and producers of that show.

As far as the gay guy that asked why is it acceptable to make fun of gays and not be racist, the answer is simple. It's not acceptable to do so yet. Key word is yet. In the past people were very open about their racism, in public and private, it was something people thought about. Now race isn't something that most people look at in the world around them. It's not unusual to see a person of different race around you. However, it is still unusual to see a gay couple, or have an open conversation about homosexuality. It still makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

I myself have no gay friends, and I can't really say how I would react if I did have a gay friend. Most people would take the PC answer and say they wouldn't care, but you really can't say until you are in that situation.
Old 03-28-2003 | 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by Black2000GSR
bah, screw political correctness.
"sexual preference" and "sexual orientation" are about as different as "retarded" and "mentally handicapped"....they mean the same damn thing,
they absolutely do not.

thats like me calling you a pita eating island living greaseball, or calling you a greek-american.
Old 03-28-2003 | 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by Teg711

i have a couple friends and an uncle that are total fags and you know what my uncle constantly tells me? I HATE GAY PEOPLE. it's not the fact that they're gay, it's how they act, not all, but a good most of them...
right now, that makes a lot of sense, after reading that i HATE WHITE PEOPLE.

i know i often come off as a bigot here, but i just find the lines people draw for themselves make it more difficult for us as a community to work together. i would say its fair to say the VAST majority of gay people are that way because thats what works for them, and for whatever reason, be it a shortcircuitry in their brain, or just some strange natural population control, thats the way it is.

now just like black people, MOST are what they are, than every once in a while you get a white guy who pretendds. eventually he out grows it and lives his life honestly.

gay people are themselves the culture, i would imagine its very easy to see who is mimmicking the culture, just like it is with so called "wiggers" -- maybe not as much to those on the outside, as those on the inside.

the word is ACCEPTANCE, not friendship, you dont have to be their buddies, you dont have to take it up the ass, but it wont kill you to treat them as humans.

now, next youre going to tell us that religious choice is not comparable to racism because its a choice you make. people dont really make the religious choices they do, they follow them because of their faith...if you cant accept that, you cant accept the way basic human nature works. I didnt choose to be lutheran, or white, or straight, but i am, and all those things bring with it their own stereotypes.
Old 03-28-2003 | 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by 151 Proof
I see al ot of people that are really good friends with people of different races. My girlfriend is white,

>> the one in your sig?

two of my 5 best friends are white. The area I grew up around you would see A LOT of different races hanging out with each other. Now that I live in tlanta I still see it alot here as well. By having a show that ONLY has a main cast as well as an extended cast tells you something about the writiers and producers of that show.

>> theyre jewish like every other part of the entertainment industry?

As far as the gay guy that asked why is it acceptable to make fun of gays and not be racist, the answer is simple. It's not acceptable to do so yet. Key word is yet. In the past people were very open about their racism, in public and private, it was something people thought about. Now race isn't something that most people look at in the world around them. It's not unusual to see a person of different race around you. However, it is still unusual to see a gay couple, or have an open conversation about homosexuality. It still makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

>> you should come to work with me, im outnumbered as a straight man and all the time the minorities keep screaming about their rights...HEY JACKASSES, LOOK AROUND, YOURE NOT THE MINORITY ANYMORE...I AM, WHAT ABOUT MY RIGHTS?

I myself have no gay friends, and I can't really say how I would react if I did have a gay friend.

>> sure you do, you just dont know it because your friends are afraid theyd lose you if they were too different. i didnt think i did either until i became willing to accept, (really i only pretend to be a bigot because it shocks people), a TON of my friends came out...you might be surprised. basically the projection is anywhere from 6-20% of americans, that means 1-5 of your friends is likely gay or bi! think about how many friends you have.

Most people would take the PC answer and say they wouldn't care, but you really can't say until you are in that situation.

>> being gay doesnt give you a character type, youre still held down by your own personality. i stayed friends with people who were a nice guy and just happened to boink other guys...now if being gay is the defining feature of your life something is wrong, having sex with women isnt how i introduce myself. now until goober "came out" to us here i never heard a peep of his sexuality, and you know what? thats just fine...its not my business who he pops...on the other hand, my girl is hawt, so you all get to see pics of her...i wonder how long it will be till someone posts pics of their same sex partner. until now the closest han had to an outed member was laurel's moms.

basically for the most part its "no big deal" and it shouldnt be, anymore than you being black is, i have some black friends, not very many because i really dont have a ton in common with many people, in all honesty besides han i dont have that many friends, i dont drink, i dont **** around on girls, i dont do any sort of drugs, and therefore i dont party, im also not churchgoing, so the normal places that people get social contacts i cant...

What i find funny is in school people never made a huge deal about being a certain european race, you never saw people walk around with flags from their home countries on their shirts, or them proclaiming where theyre from...but he we are on the internet where i could be a 13 year old mexican girl if i so choose, but people proclaim their ethnicity louder and louder every day...and then when you poke fun about stereo types they say, "just because im XXXX doesnt mean im XXXX" It doesnt? than why did you make a big deal out of where you were "from?"

mmmm, off topic
Old 03-28-2003 | 11:15 PM
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yo redgoober.. i hear ya.. as far as the board's smilies and using the word "gay" sure it shouldnt be done.. maybe they could change it if u did politely email the webmaster.. personally i prefer using "ghey"... i find that less oriented to calling someone a homosexual and more towards just a ghey retard.. as far as it starting with "gay" sorry thats just what happened...
Old 03-28-2003 | 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by Tirod˛slc
yo redgoober.. i hear ya.. as far as the board's smilies and using the word "gay" sure it shouldnt be done.. maybe they could change it if u did politely email the webmaster.. personally i prefer using "ghey"... i find that less oriented to calling someone a homosexual and more towards just a ghey retard.. as far as it starting with "gay" sorry thats just what happened...
well joshers is the other one hes complaining about and that doesnt necessarily elude to being gay.

how about changing "ghey" to "sissy" or "silly" -- being gay doesnt necessairly mean you wave a rainbow flag

now if someone was to change :drunk: or :beer: to :irish: i wouldnt be upset... :fawk:

in fact i think all our smiley tags should be racist or prejudice in some way, thats way funnier than threads about where you do and dont piss.
Old 03-28-2003 | 11:28 PM
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look i wasn't justifying or judging anything i was making a simple observation based one what a gay man(my uncle) told me. just to show the contrast in general opinion. like i said I DONT HATE ANYBODY, i dont care if you're black yellow purple or rainbow colored, i dont hate gay straight bi, whatever.

in your response to the religious point you brought up i was raised catholic but guess what, i'm not sure of what i believe in so i don't attend church or practice that faith.

as for your "plee" of acceptance i don't think they'll find anyone more accepting then me. i don't see how i fail to recognize and treat them as i would any other human. :dunno:



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