where are you getting your info? we rebuilt germany AND japan after WW2. that's just how we do business.. or did you miss that in history class?

 

but WW2 was actually a worthwhile war. I have no complaints about the American Military prior to the Korean War (well, short of the Spanish-American war. That was pretty whack, but everything else is faily in tune with the times).

See, after world war two, we decided to start getting into wars just because, and not because we were drawn into them.

maybe there's a reason none of the wars/conflicts have been successful since. Sure, GW1 was somewhat successful, but if you call 970 sorties flow out to blow up 33 bridges successful.....

not to mention, GW1 didn't really clean the place up. Foreshadowing?

 

yea ... we needed another good war since Korea was a Stalemate ... "Lets bomb our own ship and blame the Vietnamese!! Hell!! Killing a communist is great for America!"

We see where that got us. Not to mention Iran/Iraq war, the good ass raping we did to South America. As long as US Corporations can get money from the situation, it doesnt matter who we help. Remember this?:




You HONESTLY think Bush wanted to free the Iraqi people from a dictator? That seems to be what else you guys think is a just cause for the war since we cant find those pesky WMD. No. He doesnt give a shit. It's not our problem as much as I hate to say it. If it were our problem, we would've attacked China, Iran, Syria, North Korea, Liberia, etc. We've made it 10 times worse and killed more Iraqis than Saddam has in his whole reign. True he was an asshole, but so are half the "regimes" and governments we've been supporting for the last half-century. *cough*oil*cough*

 

yeah, communism did great things for this country. It gave the public yet another thing to fear. If it wasn't those damn indians, it was the germans, and if not that, it was AIDs, and if not that, its not being rich. And lets not forget terrorism.

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As long as US Corporations can get money from the situation, it doesnt matter who we help.

the first step to becoming a successful neo-con.

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You HONESTLY think Bush wanted to free the Iraqi people from a dictator?

nope, I think he wants to go down in history.

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That seems to be what else you guys think is a just cause for the war since we cant find those pesky WMD.

thats too logical.

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No. He doesnt give a shit. It's not our problem as much as I hate to say it.

actually, another democratic country in the middle east would do wonders for oil trade. Especially when Iraq has one of the larger reserves in the region. How else will we keep fueling those SUV's?

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If it were our problem, we would've attacked China,

thery're not that big an issue anymore....

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Iran

they're next.

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Syria

only if bush is re-elected.

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North Korea

they actually pose a threat, so I doubt they'll get the 'pre-emptive' party.

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Liberia

can you see US troops against 12 year old gunmen?

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We've made it 10 times worse and killed more Iraqis than Saddam has in his whole reign.

every cloud has a silver lining :dunno:

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True he was an asshole, but so are half the "regimes" and governments we've been supporting for the last half-century. *cough*oil*cough*

stop it, you're making too much sense :chuckles:

but seriously. America needs to change its perseption of foriegn policy. We just care about bettering ourselves.

I bet if we let the arabs run their own land, they wouldn't hate us. But they're stupid right? I guess instead of pumping money into people like Osama and Saddam, we could have pumped it into the education there. Maybe make the kids smart enough to run their own refineries.

but I guess thats too logical....

 

Come on now...neither of these is true and posting them to backup your arguments is pretty weak. You know better than that.

Honestly I bet they are the next ones to go. Why? Iran is trying to acquire nuclear weapons, North Korea is using the excuse that they need them to prevent the US from attacking. Their logic is that Iraq did not have nuclear weapons so the US attacked them. If we attack Northe Korea with Nuclear weapons Iran may think twice seeing how the US will not be blackmailed.

 

Who says? Look at the facts with Vietnam and look at Iraq NOW.

So it's OK for us to have WMD, but any other country cannot? I mean, I hate that ANYONE has these types of weapons, but we're passed that now.

 

actually, it is true.

veitnam was primarly started because of an "attack" on a US boat by the NVA navy. Thing is, the North had no navy, the attack never happend, and it was a big lie.

Vietnam wasn't about communism. The 'domino effect' on the region was total bullshit. "The enemy of my friend is my enemy" (north vietnam tried to get US-backed help, but south vietnam was sided with france. France got the hell out of the when US came in), and since the "enemy of my enemy is my friend," North Vietnam got help from Russia.

Oh Chi Men (whatever the hell his name is) wasn't a commie. He didn't support communism. But the russians did. Sure, some people in his ranks were commies, but the leader of the NVA was not.

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Honestly I bet they are the next ones to go. Why? Iran is trying to acquire nuclear weapons, North Korea is using the excuse that they need them to prevent the US from attacking. Their logic is that Iraq did not have nuclear weapons so the US attacked them.

Iran is easier to invade than north korea, so I disagree.

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If we attack Northe Korea with Nuclear weapons Iran may think twice seeing how the US will not be blackmailed.

:rofl:

you actually think we'll use the bomb on NK? Thats one of the dumbest things I've heard.....

not to mention it will unleash hell from Al Queda. They've said they'll only attack us as we've attacked them. If we use chemical or nuclear means, they will as well.

 

Oops my bad. I gotta stop posting and doing the budget at the same time.

I meant if we attack NK that has nuclear weapons. I honestly do not think the US would use a nuclear weapon on NK.

My appologies for the slip up.

Oh and about the NVA attacking a US warship...it happened...give me some time to look it up. I read some pretty good stuff on it before. I gotta eat dinner right now.

 

I'll be waitin for it :thumbup:

 

Here is the first quote on what happened...

It is the second day that is in question as to whether or not the Maddox was attacked or not. But the first time it was.