newflash revisited ... this country was the last to give up the institution of slavery. Thats how we went from a rural agricultural society to an industrial leader in the 18th and 19th centuries. We were caught up with the other "advanced" nations, and in most cases, were better off. Those few centuries are what made America strong ... as it would with any corporation. You make all the money if you dont have to pay the employees. Your blatant ignorance in this really frightens me. It makes me wonder what you were taught in school, all those tax dollars .... *sigh*

 

I'm gonna add some required reading.....

I picked up Al Frankin's new book. Funny shit....

which will bring me back in time to this:
if you read frankin's book, he runs the stupid bitch into the ground. All her 'facts' are complete bullshit and half-assed attempts at finding some truth. Things she uses were taken out of context.

"So that is all I am going to say..."

 

Al Franken is an idiot. And Coulter has every fact footnoted in her book so you can actually go and look up her sources. I wonder how many Franken happened to look up? ALL of her facts I have looked up are completely legit...but without doing your research you wouldn't know that now would you. Way to wright someone off completely without knowing the facts...but hey that is a typical liberal tactic.

 

typical right-wing retort:

actually, I'd like to take you up on that. Buy me my ticket, and I'll be gone. and then I'll just fight my cause from wherever the fuck I am.

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The last person who insulted our country like that in front of me is still picking his teeth out of his throat.

proving the conservative mentallity that violence indeed solves the problem.

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So fu-- off and take a hike.

nah, I haven't given up just yet.

just because I'm critical of something does not mean I should leave. The way you defend this country is the same way a child defends it's mother, in that no matter what they say, you love them.

some of us think in more adult terms of love, and realize with it comes comprimise, taking the good with the bad, acceptence of foul-ups, forgiveness, and change.

you know, those universal truths I keep reminding everyone of. you must not be capable of grasping them.....

and all I'm saying is that the argument goes both ways.

contrary to what you think, I didn't miss your statment, you missed mine.

btw, way to rip off my retort meathod. Only took you 5 pages.

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Then I guess I better smoke the same shit you do...maybe in an altered state of mind I might understand a liberals view of the world.

saying drugs is the cause of my problems is like saying violence is the problem with america.

we all know there's many factors to a problem, and drugs doesn't nessisarly mean bad. Or even stupid.

Carl Sagen was a pothead. Smoked every day. Maybe in his altered state of mind, basic components of life became clear.

maybe his altered state of mind wasn't much different than mine....

besides, drugs don't cause problems, people cause problems.

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Oh really, I hadn't noticed. Must be burried in your novel sized posts filled with liberal BS and propaganda.

hey, I'm not twisting your arm, dipshit. No one's making you post.

But calling my facts liberal BS and then saying I resort to name calling shows your true hypocritical nature. At least I have the balls to admit mine.

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Liberals here have ignored them enough...your last three posts are testament enough to that.

kinda like conservatives ignoring the middle and lower classes in favor of padding each others wallets so them and their buddies are all rich. God bless amerika.

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And drugs don't do the same things? :weird:

again, people fuck up. Drugs may cause it, but its definatly not the catalyst.

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Glad to see a liberal being so kind to new people that post in this thread...

I'm not here to welcome anyone. I'm here to argue my point. If the new people have indeed read the whole post (which should be the case, because reading half and posting your thoughts is a complete waste of everyones time), they would notice how heated this has become.

no sympathy from me. besides, its the internet. Like I give a fuck about any of you. Maybe I will when I meet you in person, when it actually matters....

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Seems like you are doing a good job there bud trying to make people mad...you are certainly not going out of the way to make them feel welcomed.

eh, it gets my rocks off

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Actually the points you try to make are pretty much complete BS...

so says you, but then again, you like ann coulter. that about sums up my thoughts.

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It is called an analogy...if you do not know what that word means look it up!

yeah, like I don't know what that means. I've only used the word in several posts, within the topic.

oh, you must not have been reading any of it. therefor, post somewhere else.

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Glad to see yet another example of a liberal completely twisting a fact for his own good. Here is a perfect of a liberal completely trying to erase the past claiming something that did exist never did. Are you now going to try and say Clinton was never impeached either?

actually, it was to piss you off. I know they existed, but my argument is "if they're not there, where are they?"

I think I'm gonna write a slogan on the back of my car that says "fuck waldo, where's the WMD's?!?"

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I am for the electoral college but not for the reason you listed.

why else would you be for electoral college. Unless you think the public isn't capable of making their own discissions, there isn't much else you can say.

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And what does the electoral college have to do with a poll on the war anyway? :slap:

proving my point about you people and how you weild your power.

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I have a point to argue...thanks for being a complete moron and not acknowledging it. But when you can tell me where the WMD are you cannot say the war was not justified...you could be putting your own foot into your mouth.

oh yeah, thats real good. more hypocrasy.

tell you what. The second those WMD are found, I'll say the war was justified. But until then, you're the one eating their shoe.

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Having WMD used against us is a much nicer thing? :dumbass:

hey, at least its war WITH a cause, as apposed to one without.

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Good showing of your level of intelligence...or as you put it "unintelligence"

yeah, my one major grammar foul up, and of course in typical right-wing fasion, you jump on it to try and make it an argument.

guess what. That still doesn't change the fact that the report was total bullshit. again, are you not reading or watching the news?

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I wonder the same thing about liberals...

oh where did your arguments go. Oh yeah, you ran out of them once you used up "liberal bullshit" and "halftruths"

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Till a very good explanation as to where they went is given.

till they're found in the first place.....

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Which ones...all i have seen is you ignoring mine.

what facts are yours? The ones you get confused and mix up? Or maybe the ones you read comming from right wing propaganda sources such as rush or coulter?

man, anyone with half a brain knows they're biased. They make arguments so the conservative movements are justified. Is that the way things should work? Seriously? Am I the only one who sees the flaw here?

maybe, God forbid, they addopt a philosophy other than "the ends justify the means"

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How many more Americans need to die before liberals will finally have the balls to do what is right to protect our country?

protecting the country? Is that what you mean by putting us directly in harms way by sending most our troops into a holstile region in order to solve a concocted conflict in order to settle a decade-old score?

oh, :goodjob:

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No idea?

yeah, me neither. They sealed the reports.

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One liberal on this board has recognized other points...ONE...not all!

oh, but he doesn't openly admit to smoking pot, so he's a good boy.....

to be continued.....

 

I had to make this one post by itself. There's some answers within it.....

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Well if another terrorist attack hits the US I hope you are somehow directly affected by it so you know what it is like...

but it won't happen. I live in San Antonio, which maybe if we were attacked by convensional means, I'd have to worry, since there's 4 military bases here.

but since this is terrorism, and I don't live on either the east, or the west coast, I really don't have much to worry about.

maybe if they blow up crawford, but thats still some ways away.

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till you know SHUT THE **** UP!!!!!

the truth comes billowing out. Now we know why your pro-death-to-arabs...

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You have no idea what it was like on 9/11 living in the NY area...

you're right about the 9/11 part (actually, 9/11/01), but I used to live in the NY area. New Jersey, actually. I'm quite familiar with the region.....

ah yes, the american dream. Bright city lights, big titted women, money -- lots-o-money, and popularity and fame.

These are the american dreams.

so ask me why it all happend and I'll tell you why. Maybe it was karma. Maybe the people stopped living life and opted to live a soap opera of drama, sex, violence, decaying moralizm, and blatent opertunitism. Maybe I'm being a little harsh, maybe I'm being a little hypocritical (hell, I'm american, and am ingrained with the same beleives.... I blame the mass media for that one).

NY and LA are just modern sodoms and gamoras. If you're too blind to see that, its ok. Ignorance truely is bliss.

but as far as I'm concered, everything happens for a reason.

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and I really do hope you never will.

yeah, thats why you said it

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But atleast understand the fact that you do have no ****ing clue and form your thoughts accordingly.

kinda like you?

take a look at your statement. Your mad, and anger is truely one stong emotion. But anger blinds you, and makes you think irationally.

I think I have a better say on things than you do because I'm unbiased. Not being directly affected means I don't want to kill the fucks. I don't blame you, I'd probably feel the same too. I'm sure it launches a new level of fear into you. And insecurities.

You want to go back to how things were. They were simpler, and they seemed more reliable.

Now things are chaotic. We really don't know what to expect next. And again, you want to go back to how things were on 9/10/01. But the fact is we can't. Things have changed.

Either you move forward, or you move backwards. There's no 3rd direction.

 

kind of like what bill clinton did when he signed NAFTA into being? it's funny you should pin such things on conservatives. i've yet to see a republican president so blatantly screw his nation with a single bill other than bill clinton. i think it's laughable that the average liberal bobblehead tries to pin the unemployment rate on our current president when, if you actually do the research, you can plainly see a trend following the signing of NAFTA to our current unemployment rate.

liberal: fix it until it breaks.
conservative: it it isn't broken, don't fix it.

 

now for the nail-biting conclusion......
*ding ding ding*

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Yes...and your point is...........

deadlines, agenda's, oh and the fact that it doesn't mean shit.

so what if its a number one show. That just means the right did a great job of brainwashing rural america (where most of bushs votes came from. Ironiclly enough, thats just where the education isn't. Most of the smarter people in the cities where education is higher voted for Gore.)

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So why do liberals like to give so many handouts to people and raise taxes to cover it.

because shit happens to people and sometimes they need a helping hand.

isn't there this term called "compassionate conservative?" That isn't just a catchy jingle, either. Tho bush would probably think so.

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That is the only way liberals can survive by making the American people depend on them. In the liberals mind why should a person work hard if they are only going to get taxed more and if they keep electing a Democrat everything will be given to them.

and I argue with you?

horrible rational. This is about Iraq, and WMD, and conservatives talking bullshit so they get the funds they want.

conservative politics have nothing to do with this.

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That does not sound like the American dream to me.

thats because it isn't. Like I said before, guns, money and jesus.

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Just a bunch of scare tactics liberals try and dupe Americans into believing.

Kinda like the administration making you scared of terrorism, right?

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Read my above sentence. And conservatives do not kick people when they are down...

<cough> bullshit <cough>

actually, I'll say that flat out. Bullshit. Conservatives love to take and take and take, but never give, unless of course, you're also conservative.

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they give them opportunities to better themselves, so they are not reliant upon Democrats to feed themselves.

guess what, not all democrats are lazy, and besides, surprize, I'm not a democrat.

get the fuck out of MY thread.

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Most rich people are white men...you have struck upon the law of probability...congratulations.

God bless amerika.

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And you move so closely in Republican circles that you know this?

my dad's republican, so it's not like I'm clueless.

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Like Bill Clinton, any Kennedy and Jesse Jackson did? And which Republican are you reffering to?

I'm just saying, republicans like to act like they're perfect, when they're far from it. I'd think you'd be smart enough to catch that, but looks like I gave you too much credit.

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Again, who are you reffering to?

generalizations

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Stop seeing the world through THC colored glasses.

again, better than the beer googles most political leaders have been looking through for centuries.

hmmm, god made weed, man made beer. Who do you trust?

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So I reused it...point?

it makes your point invalid. Way to try and cover something up. Again, typical of right-wing.

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Again showing your &quot;Unintelligence&quot;

I beg to differ. When'd you lose your virginity, 19? 20?

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Well when you want to exterminate a whole country, which &quot;Death to Israel&quot; advocates...I would consider you a closed minded person.

I think you're pretty close-minded for thinking Death To Israel automaticlly means extermination of a whole country. Congradulations captain dipshit, your a fucking moron.

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Keep hoping! .:. -_- .:.

<takes in deep breath of air>

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It does?

are you gonna say it doesn't?

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Off base on this one here too...

prove me wrong, then, instead of just saying some shit.

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Like Clintons idea to not take Osama Bin Laden in from Sudan when they offered him to the US on a silver platter.

I never once supported clinton and said he was a God incarnate, either. How many times have I distanced myself from democrates?

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Or Kennedy's Bay of Pigs invasion...that was a good idea too.

kennedy was fucking with the mofia. That alone makes him grounds for a dumbass.

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Or how about the # of Communists that Democrats placed in high level government jobs during the 50's and 60's compromising national security.

OMG, you actually gave in to mccathism? you're a fool.

what about the pentigon in the 70's and 80's when they were overbudgeting and making weapons systems that ran costs in excess of 400billion? Namely, the f14 and f111d disasters?

yeah, the government isn't corrupt...... Lemme find a $400 tolet seat real quick.

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Oh yeah history has shown us well the good ideas Democrats have mad.

made, and again, I'm not a democrat.

how many times must I make that point?

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Change is constant...you have posted one good fact.

I thought you said I speak nothing but shit.

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Congratulations. But not all change is good. Republicans change when change is needed...

like when they're not making enough to support their royal ways.

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Democrats change because they feel they need to always reinventing themselves.

now, I'm not about to defend demo's, but Liberals change because they see that the majority has been blinded, and that things arn't right. GASP!

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Atleast Republicans have core values.

guns, money, and jesus

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The best answer to this post is this one...
I concur!!!

glad to see you're both hypocritical. Fits the discription.

I fail to see how thats funny.


ahhh, common sense. I knew you were around here somewhere.....

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Hey dipshit, there's freedom of speech so you can MAKE A DIFFERENCE instead of LEAVE. Why leave and not make a change? If people dont stand up to make a change, the govt runs over them and rules their lives and controls them, taxes them, and ****s them in the ass with no lube and they ... guess what? GET AWAY WITH IT. I for one would rather stay here to use my rights for what they're supposed to be used for - TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. If I wanted to insult this bullshit &quot;democracy&quot; I would and I dare you to try and punch me. For that comment, you just hit a 10 on my &quot;Im another blind Americanized Sheep who likes to fight&quot; Get a clue.

they're jumping on the bandwagon with the new patriot act.

I'm gonna have my citizenship stripped because I'm not brainwashed. <cough>1984<cough>

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And DVPGSR, shame on you for that. I totally thought you, of all people, would know how valuable the right to freedom of speech and expression is. I cannot believe you'd say that. People like you and Fastball, when you say that, are the REAL ones betraying the country. :nono:

conservative = my rights, not yours

so did the war

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Talking about politics with a bunch of people that do nothing but continually talk about how they are right about everything is perhaps one of the least worthwhile things to do in the history of the existence of mankind.

thanks for making no point. and you're a mod?

nah, they're too busy listening to rush.

fucking dipshit. How am I walking over it? Sure I'm fighting a contrivesial side, but christ, does that mean I have to leave?

I really hope I'm right so I can rub it in to you when its all said and done. And you know what, I'm giving you the same right if I'm wrong. But I'm not

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We were not the only ones that had slaves during that time...and it took a Republican to free them...how is that for change?

wow, and Lincoln was probably the only republican with half a brain.

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I get enough liberal BS right here on this forum...why would I go out and purchase it. Besides I prefer to read level headed thinkers like Ann Coulter, Barbara Olsen, Bill O'Reilley, Chris Matthews (who is a Democrat BTW) and Shawn Hannity.

Hannity and Coulter are idiots. O'Reilley is just another talking head, and the other two I'm clueless about.

I've been saying that for a while now

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Why dont you go find a WMD or something. :rollseyes:

because even 120k american soldiers can't. With the aid of iraqies, too....

actually, I live a secure life. My father has a very good job of working with the military on cases involving the defense industry. He netted something over a million between 91-00 adding up tax returns, but since there was 5 of us kids, it didn't seem like much.

But no, I've been a model conservative, or so my upraising has been. Hell, my dad's even tried pushing it onto me, but I just don't agree with it. Maybe its all the BS my dad has uncovered over the years of working on lawsuits involving the military, and working with government officials, and telling me about it all.

but I'm not some latchkey kid. On the contrary, I'm just another white boy from the suburbs.

But I have commen sense.


yeah, but when you make generalizations, they're ok. When I make them, they're retarded. Where do you get off?

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I wish I could produce the WMD...

so do I. Then I can stop.

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that actually has me quite bothered that they have not been found...

along with the rest of the country/world/God.

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I hope they are already not in the hands of terrorists.

no, we've had WMD for quite some time now....


its the failed right-wing logic. Anyone who's liberal hasn't been feed by a silver spoon, or otherwise they'd want the same thing.

 

nafta was a huge fucking mistake.

again, I'm not a fucking democrat

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it's funny you should pin such things on conservatives. i've yet to see a republican president so blatantly screw his nation with a single bill other than bill clinton.

again, see above

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i think it's laughable that the average liberal bobblehead tries to pin the unemployment rate on our current president when, if you actually do the research, you can plainly see a trend following the signing of NAFTA to our current unemployment rate.

want me to say it once more?

 

I will admit that I am mad...pretty angry infact that not only did something like 9/11 happen, but also the fact our president is doing something to prevent another, more catastrophic attack and people speak out against it. You will never understand how it feels to have a list like I have of people that died on that day. Not only that but I still have a lot of people I love and care for that work in NYC and do not want something to happen to them. I truly do not want anything to happen to your family, but I do wish somehow you could understand because I think you would really have a completely different outlook on the whole subject matter. But like you pointed out you are safe in Texas so why should you care.

And yes Ann Coulter may be the rights version of Michael Moore, although she has not made a movie and is certainly a lot better looking, all of her facts in her book check out. She does not lie, she does not concoct, and she does not twist. You may not like to hear the truths she brings up but to try and pass them off as anything but good solid facts is ignorance.

 

franken looked up her sources in his book, and in his book, with page numbers and other notes, he shoots her ass down.

her facts are false, and you're in denial. Get your head straight.

and about "writing" off facts, arn't you doing the same for her?

and saying "but hey that is a typical liberal tactic." is in typical conservative fasion.

your a fucking moron.