For those of you against the war....
08-23-2003 | 11:45 AM
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memory refresher:
Originally posted by 18secFerio
Oh, and by the way, these half truths go both ways. I see alot of those with the Pro-War community, as well.
its the battle of who's less wrong
Oh, and by the way, these half truths go both ways. I see alot of those with the Pro-War community, as well.
its the battle of who's less wrong
08-23-2003 | 02:14 PM
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NO, BECAUSE WE GAVE THEM TO THEM!!!!
people who shouldn't have been there in the first place
but the only attacks on clintons watch that were on american soil wern't near as major as 9-11-01
maybe clinton "didn't do anything" because he realized getting into a war with people you can't really fight and throwing your country over 4 billion in the whole "liberating" countrys for the sake of convenience.
700 dead doesn't make a good enough reason to call war on the world
maybe I don't want to be
and when it does happen again, we'll jump into action like we did in WWI and WWII and kick some ass. Thats the real secret
I guess you have just proven that we have been right all along!
08-23-2003 | 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by DVPGSR
Uhm...no!!! We gave them samples from the CDC for research and development of civilian purposes, although I will admit we knew they would be used for other purposes. But Iraq developed these weapons after the first Gulf War when they were no longer allowed. These are the onesthat are documented and are now missing. Do you finally get my point or are you going to continue to deny it?
Uhm...no!!! We gave them samples from the CDC for research and development of civilian purposes, although I will admit we knew they would be used for other purposes. But Iraq developed these weapons after the first Gulf War when they were no longer allowed. These are the onesthat are documented and are now missing. Do you finally get my point or are you going to continue to deny it?
So says you...but are you trying to say that terrorist attack was justified because you think they should not have been there?
so yeah, they shouldn't have been there.
9/11 may have happened on Bush' watch but this was planned well before he was elected and the terrorists were in the country when he was sworn in...that is an inteligence failure on Clinton's part.
And because Clinton did nothing we had 9/11. Remember Clinton decided to turn down the Sudanese government when they wawnted to turn Bin Laden over to the US before they kicked him out and he wentto Afghanistan. Turns out that was a real smart move.
Not the world...just terrorists.
Or does logical thinking not apply to you. I want to see someone or some country stop everyone who beleives in ONE thing.
come on, argue the points worth arguing that I bring up and everyone seems to overlook.
And because a liberal President didn't do anything we have had a lot of problems it has finally taken a conservative President to fix.
such as major debt, millions of people world-wide hating us, poor education, and decomposing healthcare
ohhhh, I can't wait.
Guess what it did...that was 9/11...and we have jumped into action and we are kicking ass.
I guess you have just proven that we have been right all along!
08-23-2003 | 03:06 PM
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say, DVPGSR, instead of blaming the democrates for all our problems, why don't you address the REAL issues.
here, I even quoted myself so you can SEE WHAT YOU MISSED BECAUSE ALL YOU SEEM TO CARE ABOUT IS CLINTON.
get over him. He left office 3 years ago.
here, I even quoted myself so you can SEE WHAT YOU MISSED BECAUSE ALL YOU SEEM TO CARE ABOUT IS CLINTON.
get over him. He left office 3 years ago.
Originally posted by 18secFerio
[B]I want you to grow up in a third world country like Iraq and Afganistan and get kicked around by everyone. Your government fucks you, you're in poverty, things arn't good.
Guess what. Thats life. Nothings perfect.
But then, this other group of people come in and overthrow your government and tell you you're free. But life hasn't changed. Its still the same bullshit. Maybe you have better opertunities, but for what, money?
its still a shitty life regardless.
[B]
NO, BECAUSE WE GAVE THEM TO THEM!!!!
thats right, we had a deal with Iraq to take care of Iran, and we armed the motherfuckers. Of course we think they have WMD. We gave them to them.
[B]
oh, and you're thoughts arn't irrational as well?
[B]
yeah, irony's funny, isn't it?
people who shouldn't have been there in the first place
[B]
thats not terror. That was a problem with the plane.
[B]
actually, 8, and thats still even with bush.
but the only attacks on clintons watch that were on american soil wern't near as major as 9-11-01.
maybe clinton "didn't do anything" because he realized getting into a war with people you can't really fight and throwing your country over 4 billion in the whole "liberating" countrys for the sake of convenience.
but enough about clinton. I could care less about democrats.
[B]
700 dead doesn't make a good enough reason to call war on the world.
[B]
maybe I don't want to be
[B]
you still think we didn't know about pearl harbor?
and the lucitania was carrying troops/weapons/supplies.
[B]
and when it does happen again, we'll jump into action like we did in WWI and WWII and kick some ass. Thats the real secret.
but still, that was the past, and things have infact changed. We're not fighting a fucking country anymore.
[B]
but when there's no choice, options have been extinguished.
we're jumping the gun this time. I rather we go through all available meathods before we pick up a gun a kill someone.
there's other ways to work out things than measuring dicks.
[B]
but we're indeed fighting on a global scale. It's not like all our problems are solved because we go into Iraq, or into Afganistan. We still have people out there who hate us. And if we keep doing the things that piss them off, they'll hate us more.
maybe the problem here is technollogy, and particularly, the mass-media. The more I think of it, the more it makes sense, or at least with americanized media/entertainment.
[B]
Oh come on. The isreali's are doing everything in their power to either arrest or kill as many palistanians as possible. So far they're doing a pretty damn good job.
but if the isreali's DID in fact release the prisoners, then the palistinians wouldn't have bombed the bus. Then the isreali's wouldn't have blown up the suspected hamas leader, and the road map to peace would still be in effect.
unfortunatly, isreal had to act tough, and because of it, we're all fucked.
[B]
they're more of an impire than Al Queda, or the Hamas.
how about this one:
diplomacy
\Di*plo"ma*cy\, n. [F. diplomatie. This word, like supremacy, retains the accent of its original. See Diploma.] 1. The art and practice of conducting negotiations between nations (particularly in securing treaties), including the methods and forms usually employed.
2. Dexterity or skill in securing advantages; tact.
3. The body of ministers or envoys resident at a court; the diplomatic body. [R.] --Burke.
[B]
true.
but terror isn't something new, either. Maybe to us, but please. Add up all the americans killed in terror attacks and compare it to other country's terror causualties.
Hell, look at the fucking IRA. Maybe the NRA, as well, who is pretty synonymus with the KKK.
I say bush got us into the mess because he had to be a fucking hero. He had to be his hick-ass self and say we'll take them all with one arm tied behind our back because we're strong.
but we're not as strong as we think we are, or at least more vulnerable than we think.
You know, if 9-11 happened, and bush said, "alright. Thats a wake up call to us. We realized why these people did this to us, and what upset them so much to the point that they hijacked 4 planes and did all this. Maybe we can learn something and perhaps fix it, so future generations can enjoy the same thing we do."
but no, he had to say "bring 'em on"
fucking hick....
and anybody, anybody who's actually been in a war, MAYBE I can see a reason for them to be like that. But look at bush. A c student at yale. A coke user. He didn't even serve in vietnam, and while he was in the texas air national guard, he skipped the final year and went AWOL so he could party. But since his dad was the leader of the CIA, hell, I guess he could do whatever he wanted, including thinking he's ceasar or some shit.
[B]
I'm sure the world would be rather agasp if america said "whoops, we were wrong"
really, its ok to admit that. Nobody is ever always right.
[B]
which is why I've been against this since day one. Maybe I should run for president.
[B]
beleive me, I'm very well aware of it. I even said that, remember?
but just because we're stuck with it doesn't mean I have to like it.
[B]
and who are we to talk? Did america suddenly never deal with Iraq? Yes we did, if you remember the 80's all to well.
but we also funded the Taliban proir to the 9-11-01 attack. We also funded Osama. We also funded the Contra's in nicaragua. It's not as if our hands are clean.
[B]
I think when given the option of reasoning with these people, or trying to fight them on all sorts of fronts, the russians/french/germans all came to the proper conclusion.
but then again, russia, france and germany don't sport the highest deaths-by-guns badge that we love to show off, it seems. Maybe there's a reaon america wants blood so bad.
[B]
the oil from here alone wouldn't be near enough for us. But the only reason oil from Iraq is minimal is because the UN kept sactioning them. I'm sure if pipelines weren't being blown up, Iraq would be producing much more oil today now that Halburton is in charge. I bet Dick is happy.
I guess there was another point about Iraq I didn't bring up. We knocked them out because they were the strongest nation in the region. With them out of the picture, what country in the region do we really have to fear?
and thats what it all boils down to, fear.
[B]
not really. Every time I try to forget, you bastards keep bringing it up
[B]
true, But I'm not a liberal, jackass. Libertarians are slightly different.
[B]
but the cool thing about generalizations, is in fact, they're generally right.
Look at most conservatives. People who love to worship God, love to fear what they don't understand, and go on about there lives like them and only them are the only thing that matters.
how considerate.
[B]
so you think maybe it would benifit us to work on that and maybe come to an understanding? Or maybe throwing rocks is the best idea?
what does it matter to you?
[B]
and yours arn't?
[B]
we sure didn't NOT want it. Otherwise, I'd be alot happier today.
[B]
which is pretty much my strongest point. I'm still waiting, btw.
[B]
honestly, at this point, I could care less anymore. It's clear to me the end is in sight, so in my veiw, this would just bring us one step closer to the next movement. Change is good.
then don't, stupid fuck.
I'm not here to amuse you bitches. I titled this thread "For those of you against the war" because I, for one second, actually thought there might have been some like minded individuals. But unfortunatly, they usually seem to be lazy.
this thread was put here to give some insight to what I beleive is right. Sure I proded you conservatives on with some tounge-in-check humor about "can't wait to say I told you so" but thats my nature. I'm very jovial like that. But if you can't take the joke, don't post on this thread.
[B]
not really, I think Eve is a bunch of bullshit.
but if you think our past has nothing to do with this, you're more a fool than myself.
[B]
oh come on. Where the fuck did I say I'm perfect? Of course I'm gonna sit here and bullshit and say conservatives are all the same. Christ, thats because most of them are. But ahhhh, we're all youth. Thats the difference.
you guys aren't in charge. People like my assumption are. I think I hit the nail on the head with what I was getting at.
[B]
that someone else is my good friend matt. Him and me are very similar, but where he is more passive, I'm very tenasious in my beleifs. Thats probably why you don't see him posting any comments. But he's got an account on here.
still, he does very little. When he's not in school, he sits around alot on the internet, looking up all kinds of shit that I don't have the time to sit through looking at. I'm online what, maybe an hour a day. Other than the internet, its very hard to find people with similar idea's as mine.
now then, the reason I said all conservatives are the same, and not forming their own thoughts, is because they really arn't. They're more or less acting on impulses driven by fear.
maybe I did get off it, and forgot to bring this up. But the fact is, you guys are afraid. You love "freedom" too much to let go, and you'd do anything in order to hold on to it. Big deal. Its just life, and life is half the equation in our reality, for there's the other half that we don't understand, which drives most of us to the fear, and that thing is Death.
who started this thread?
if you don't read all my shit, don't post in my fucking thread.
you see, your problem is you don't read all my shit, and you miss points I bring up that are very reasonable. Read below, you dumbass, maybe you'll learn something.
you see, this right here is my point. But you like to attack me, and I'll be the first to admit, I make myself an easy target. But still, you fail to take my message serious. Maybe you shouldn't, maybe there's no reason for you to, and I'm sure if I was you, I wouldn't either. But if you seriously can't read all my post in here, and see this is the conclusion I'm trying to draw, then you'd make the perfect american: blind. For in the land of the blind, the man with one eye leads.
guess what. Both of my eyes are fucking open.
There's a thing called Irony, there's a thing called a metaphore, and there's a thing called a similie. and no, it's not just limited to grammar and english class. These things are very universal.
acutally, I think legalization of drugs might improve things
south america gets money for cocain, weed. Their economy flurishes.
middle east gets money for herion, opium, hashish, etc. Their economy flurishes.
everyone knows drugs kill. but if we teach proper drug education, then there wouldn't really be a problem, and then 3rd world countrys wouldn't be as bad.
I concure.
and no, I'm not mad.
No, I'm not upset.
Yes, I use vulgarity to emphisise my fucking point.
[B]I want you to grow up in a third world country like Iraq and Afganistan and get kicked around by everyone. Your government fucks you, you're in poverty, things arn't good.
Guess what. Thats life. Nothings perfect.
But then, this other group of people come in and overthrow your government and tell you you're free. But life hasn't changed. Its still the same bullshit. Maybe you have better opertunities, but for what, money?
its still a shitty life regardless.
[B]
NO, BECAUSE WE GAVE THEM TO THEM!!!!
thats right, we had a deal with Iraq to take care of Iran, and we armed the motherfuckers. Of course we think they have WMD. We gave them to them.
[B]
oh, and you're thoughts arn't irrational as well?
[B]
yeah, irony's funny, isn't it?
people who shouldn't have been there in the first place
[B]
thats not terror. That was a problem with the plane.
[B]
actually, 8, and thats still even with bush.
but the only attacks on clintons watch that were on american soil wern't near as major as 9-11-01.
maybe clinton "didn't do anything" because he realized getting into a war with people you can't really fight and throwing your country over 4 billion in the whole "liberating" countrys for the sake of convenience.
but enough about clinton. I could care less about democrats.
[B]
700 dead doesn't make a good enough reason to call war on the world.
[B]
maybe I don't want to be
[B]
you still think we didn't know about pearl harbor?
and the lucitania was carrying troops/weapons/supplies.
[B]
and when it does happen again, we'll jump into action like we did in WWI and WWII and kick some ass. Thats the real secret.
but still, that was the past, and things have infact changed. We're not fighting a fucking country anymore.
[B]
but when there's no choice, options have been extinguished.
we're jumping the gun this time. I rather we go through all available meathods before we pick up a gun a kill someone.
there's other ways to work out things than measuring dicks.
[B]
but we're indeed fighting on a global scale. It's not like all our problems are solved because we go into Iraq, or into Afganistan. We still have people out there who hate us. And if we keep doing the things that piss them off, they'll hate us more.
maybe the problem here is technollogy, and particularly, the mass-media. The more I think of it, the more it makes sense, or at least with americanized media/entertainment.
[B]
Oh come on. The isreali's are doing everything in their power to either arrest or kill as many palistanians as possible. So far they're doing a pretty damn good job.
but if the isreali's DID in fact release the prisoners, then the palistinians wouldn't have bombed the bus. Then the isreali's wouldn't have blown up the suspected hamas leader, and the road map to peace would still be in effect.
unfortunatly, isreal had to act tough, and because of it, we're all fucked.
[B]
they're more of an impire than Al Queda, or the Hamas.
how about this one:
diplomacy
\Di*plo"ma*cy\, n. [F. diplomatie. This word, like supremacy, retains the accent of its original. See Diploma.] 1. The art and practice of conducting negotiations between nations (particularly in securing treaties), including the methods and forms usually employed.
2. Dexterity or skill in securing advantages; tact.
3. The body of ministers or envoys resident at a court; the diplomatic body. [R.] --Burke.
[B]
true.
but terror isn't something new, either. Maybe to us, but please. Add up all the americans killed in terror attacks and compare it to other country's terror causualties.
Hell, look at the fucking IRA. Maybe the NRA, as well, who is pretty synonymus with the KKK.
I say bush got us into the mess because he had to be a fucking hero. He had to be his hick-ass self and say we'll take them all with one arm tied behind our back because we're strong.
but we're not as strong as we think we are, or at least more vulnerable than we think.
You know, if 9-11 happened, and bush said, "alright. Thats a wake up call to us. We realized why these people did this to us, and what upset them so much to the point that they hijacked 4 planes and did all this. Maybe we can learn something and perhaps fix it, so future generations can enjoy the same thing we do."
but no, he had to say "bring 'em on"
fucking hick....
and anybody, anybody who's actually been in a war, MAYBE I can see a reason for them to be like that. But look at bush. A c student at yale. A coke user. He didn't even serve in vietnam, and while he was in the texas air national guard, he skipped the final year and went AWOL so he could party. But since his dad was the leader of the CIA, hell, I guess he could do whatever he wanted, including thinking he's ceasar or some shit.
[B]
I'm sure the world would be rather agasp if america said "whoops, we were wrong"
really, its ok to admit that. Nobody is ever always right.
[B]
which is why I've been against this since day one. Maybe I should run for president.
[B]
beleive me, I'm very well aware of it. I even said that, remember?
but just because we're stuck with it doesn't mean I have to like it.
[B]
and who are we to talk? Did america suddenly never deal with Iraq? Yes we did, if you remember the 80's all to well.
but we also funded the Taliban proir to the 9-11-01 attack. We also funded Osama. We also funded the Contra's in nicaragua. It's not as if our hands are clean.
[B]
I think when given the option of reasoning with these people, or trying to fight them on all sorts of fronts, the russians/french/germans all came to the proper conclusion.
but then again, russia, france and germany don't sport the highest deaths-by-guns badge that we love to show off, it seems. Maybe there's a reaon america wants blood so bad.
[B]
the oil from here alone wouldn't be near enough for us. But the only reason oil from Iraq is minimal is because the UN kept sactioning them. I'm sure if pipelines weren't being blown up, Iraq would be producing much more oil today now that Halburton is in charge. I bet Dick is happy.
I guess there was another point about Iraq I didn't bring up. We knocked them out because they were the strongest nation in the region. With them out of the picture, what country in the region do we really have to fear?
and thats what it all boils down to, fear.
[B]
not really. Every time I try to forget, you bastards keep bringing it up
[B]
true, But I'm not a liberal, jackass. Libertarians are slightly different.
[B]
but the cool thing about generalizations, is in fact, they're generally right.
Look at most conservatives. People who love to worship God, love to fear what they don't understand, and go on about there lives like them and only them are the only thing that matters.
how considerate.
[B]
so you think maybe it would benifit us to work on that and maybe come to an understanding? Or maybe throwing rocks is the best idea?
what does it matter to you?
[B]
and yours arn't?
[B]
we sure didn't NOT want it. Otherwise, I'd be alot happier today.
[B]
which is pretty much my strongest point. I'm still waiting, btw.
[B]
honestly, at this point, I could care less anymore. It's clear to me the end is in sight, so in my veiw, this would just bring us one step closer to the next movement. Change is good.
then don't, stupid fuck.
I'm not here to amuse you bitches. I titled this thread "For those of you against the war" because I, for one second, actually thought there might have been some like minded individuals. But unfortunatly, they usually seem to be lazy.
this thread was put here to give some insight to what I beleive is right. Sure I proded you conservatives on with some tounge-in-check humor about "can't wait to say I told you so" but thats my nature. I'm very jovial like that. But if you can't take the joke, don't post on this thread.
[B]
not really, I think Eve is a bunch of bullshit.
but if you think our past has nothing to do with this, you're more a fool than myself.
[B]
oh come on. Where the fuck did I say I'm perfect? Of course I'm gonna sit here and bullshit and say conservatives are all the same. Christ, thats because most of them are. But ahhhh, we're all youth. Thats the difference.
you guys aren't in charge. People like my assumption are. I think I hit the nail on the head with what I was getting at.
[B]
that someone else is my good friend matt. Him and me are very similar, but where he is more passive, I'm very tenasious in my beleifs. Thats probably why you don't see him posting any comments. But he's got an account on here.
still, he does very little. When he's not in school, he sits around alot on the internet, looking up all kinds of shit that I don't have the time to sit through looking at. I'm online what, maybe an hour a day. Other than the internet, its very hard to find people with similar idea's as mine.
now then, the reason I said all conservatives are the same, and not forming their own thoughts, is because they really arn't. They're more or less acting on impulses driven by fear.
maybe I did get off it, and forgot to bring this up. But the fact is, you guys are afraid. You love "freedom" too much to let go, and you'd do anything in order to hold on to it. Big deal. Its just life, and life is half the equation in our reality, for there's the other half that we don't understand, which drives most of us to the fear, and that thing is Death.
who started this thread?
if you don't read all my shit, don't post in my fucking thread.
you see, your problem is you don't read all my shit, and you miss points I bring up that are very reasonable. Read below, you dumbass, maybe you'll learn something.
you see, this right here is my point. But you like to attack me, and I'll be the first to admit, I make myself an easy target. But still, you fail to take my message serious. Maybe you shouldn't, maybe there's no reason for you to, and I'm sure if I was you, I wouldn't either. But if you seriously can't read all my post in here, and see this is the conclusion I'm trying to draw, then you'd make the perfect american: blind. For in the land of the blind, the man with one eye leads.
guess what. Both of my eyes are fucking open.
There's a thing called Irony, there's a thing called a metaphore, and there's a thing called a similie. and no, it's not just limited to grammar and english class. These things are very universal.
acutally, I think legalization of drugs might improve things
south america gets money for cocain, weed. Their economy flurishes.
middle east gets money for herion, opium, hashish, etc. Their economy flurishes.
everyone knows drugs kill. but if we teach proper drug education, then there wouldn't really be a problem, and then 3rd world countrys wouldn't be as bad.
I concure.
and no, I'm not mad.
No, I'm not upset.
Yes, I use vulgarity to emphisise my fucking point.
Originally posted by 18secFerio
its the battle of who's less wrong
its the battle of who's less wrong
08-23-2003 | 03:21 PM
#165
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my bum is on the swedish!
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btw, I still don't see WMD, which complete rules the reasons for war null and void.
I beleive "eminent threat" was a key word, and frankly, I didn't feel the least bit frightened about Iraq. Ever.
I don't care if we knew at some point the Iraqi's HAD something. HAD is kinda like HAS, but it was past-tense, implying they no longer HAVE it. Therefore, if they indeed HAD them, but no long HAVE them, what crimes did Iraq commit?
Oh yeah, they killed thousands of innocent civilians.
guess what, so did our country. But you don't see the Germans bombing the hell out of our cities and capitols, invading our boarders, and taking over our government.
America MUST remain neutral if it's indeed "the land of the free"
otherwise, it's "the land of the oppressers/war-mongers/money-grubbing-swines"
BTW, anyone hear about the Partiot Act #2?
I beleive "eminent threat" was a key word, and frankly, I didn't feel the least bit frightened about Iraq. Ever.
I don't care if we knew at some point the Iraqi's HAD something. HAD is kinda like HAS, but it was past-tense, implying they no longer HAVE it. Therefore, if they indeed HAD them, but no long HAVE them, what crimes did Iraq commit?
Oh yeah, they killed thousands of innocent civilians.
guess what, so did our country. But you don't see the Germans bombing the hell out of our cities and capitols, invading our boarders, and taking over our government.
America MUST remain neutral if it's indeed "the land of the free"
otherwise, it's "the land of the oppressers/war-mongers/money-grubbing-swines"
BTW, anyone hear about the Partiot Act #2?
08-23-2003 | 07:24 PM
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And because Clinton did nothing we had 9/11. Remember Clinton decided to turn down the Sudanese government when they wawnted to turn Bin Laden over to the US before they kicked him out and he wentto Afghanistan. Turns out that was a real smart move.
08-23-2003 | 11:42 PM
#167
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Well 18secFerio, it's nice to see that you've stooped to nothing less than I expected from you. Let's see...you're right, and differing opinions are wrong, conservatives are hicks, and let's not forget that when those who disagree speak up, they are "jackasses, bitches, dumb f*cks, bastards, and fools, amongst all of the other gems you have given us. That's a hell of a way to carry on a reasonable discussion. But, then again, no one accused you of being reasonable.
Never mind the fact that all your left with is personal attacks. You often end up contradicting yourself whether you realize it or not. Now, I mentioned the contradictions, but I really don't want to waste my time going through all of your posts to show you (yep, I did read them all), so I'll just show you one:
Oh, but you are liberal. Much of your political postitioning says so, and, furthermore, you say so on your website. It doesn't matter what you label yourself, it's your views that speak volumes. From your site:
So, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck...
I'll give you credit for being so serious about your beliefs, though, and you told us so by saying:
But, I've got news for you...you are a tremendous source of amusement. You are my entertainment, as I find myself laughing at the stuff you come up with. I am constantly amazed at the facts you can twist (like calling the DC sniper a terrorist, for one, but OK). Lighten up. This is an internet forum, and it is supposed to be entertainment.
When it's all said and done, what you have to say comes down to this:
I think the above quote says it all. There's not a lot I can take seriously from THC induced psycobabble from someone who has alot of growing up to do.
In any event, this thread has gone way off topic, and I'll admit that this post does nothing to help. Sure, you can say it wasn't meant for the likes of me, but as I mentioned earlier, you would have been foolish to not expect any dissenting opinions based upon your cut and pasted post.
As such, I'm just gonna back out. You're old news, and there is nothing to gain by going 'round and 'round.
(Edited)
Never mind the fact that all your left with is personal attacks. You often end up contradicting yourself whether you realize it or not. Now, I mentioned the contradictions, but I really don't want to waste my time going through all of your posts to show you (yep, I did read them all), so I'll just show you one:
Originally posted by 18secFerio
But I'm not a liberal, jackass. Libertarians are slightly different.
But I'm not a liberal, jackass. Libertarians are slightly different.
Oh, but you are liberal. Much of your political postitioning says so, and, furthermore, you say so on your website. It doesn't matter what you label yourself, it's your views that speak volumes. From your site:
I am very liberal...
I'll give you credit for being so serious about your beliefs, though, and you told us so by saying:
I'm not here to amuse you bitches.
When it's all said and done, what you have to say comes down to this:
But still, you fail to take my message serious. Maybe you shouldn't, maybe there's no reason for you to,
In any event, this thread has gone way off topic, and I'll admit that this post does nothing to help. Sure, you can say it wasn't meant for the likes of me, but as I mentioned earlier, you would have been foolish to not expect any dissenting opinions based upon your cut and pasted post.
As such, I'm just gonna back out. You're old news, and there is nothing to gain by going 'round and 'round.
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08-24-2003 | 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by /^Blackmagik^\
the same can be said of liberals being granola eating, tree hugging, hippies.
the same can be said of liberals being granola eating, tree hugging, hippies.
Originally posted by dliske
Let's see, who else has devoted time cutting and pasting to make points relative to their NON-conservative beliefs?...Odysseus and Sxecrow come to mind. Now, WHO doesn't like to form their own thoughts?
Let's see, who else has devoted time cutting and pasting to make points relative to their NON-conservative beliefs?...Odysseus and Sxecrow come to mind. Now, WHO doesn't like to form their own thoughts?
Originally posted by DVPGSR
Uhm...no!!! We gave them samples from the CDC for research and development of civilian purposes, although I will admit we knew they would be used for other purposes. But Iraq developed these weapons after the first Gulf War when they were no longer allowed. These are the onesthat are documented and are now missing. Do you finally get my point or are you going to continue to deny it?
Uhm...no!!! We gave them samples from the CDC for research and development of civilian purposes, although I will admit we knew they would be used for other purposes. But Iraq developed these weapons after the first Gulf War when they were no longer allowed. These are the onesthat are documented and are now missing. Do you finally get my point or are you going to continue to deny it?
Originally posted by DVPGSR
So says you...but are you trying to say that terrorist attack was justified because you think they should not have been there?
So says you...but are you trying to say that terrorist attack was justified because you think they should not have been there?
Originally posted by DVPGSR
9/11 may have happened on Bush' watch but this was planned well before he was elected and the terrorists were in the country when he was sworn in...that is an inteligence failure on Clinton's part.
9/11 may have happened on Bush' watch but this was planned well before he was elected and the terrorists were in the country when he was sworn in...that is an inteligence failure on Clinton's part.
Originally posted by DVPGSR
Not the world...just terrorists. And because a liberal President didn't do anything we have had a lot of problems it has finally taken a conservative President to fix.[.
Not the world...just terrorists. And because a liberal President didn't do anything we have had a lot of problems it has finally taken a conservative President to fix.[.
Originally posted by dliske
I am constantly amazed at the facts you can twist (like calling the DC sniper a terrorist, for one, but OK).
I am constantly amazed at the facts you can twist (like calling the DC sniper a terrorist, for one, but OK).
Terrorist: one who engages in acts of terror to complete an objective. I see no difference between these assholes except 1 was here in the good US of A. I guess that disqualifies him as a "terrorist"?
08-24-2003 | 12:48 PM
#169
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my bum is on the swedish!
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Originally posted by dliske
Well 18secFerio, it's nice to see that you've stooped to nothing less than I expected from you.
Well 18secFerio, it's nice to see that you've stooped to nothing less than I expected from you.
Let's see...you're right,
and differing opinions are wrong,
conservatives are hicks,
and let's not forget that when those who disagree speak up, they are "jackasses, bitches, dumb f*cks, bastards, and fools, amongst all of the other gems you have given us.
That's a hell of a way to carry on a reasonable discussion.
yeah, thats pretty reasonable to me. I'm just doing what you conservatives love taking a stand on: fighting fire with fire.
But, then again, no one accused you of being reasonable.
Never mind the fact that all your left with is personal attacks.
You often end up contradicting yourself whether you realize it or not.
besides, who DOESN'T contradict themselves. That would fall under human nature, and nobody being perfect.
Oh yeah, none of you bother reading all my posts.....
Now, I mentioned the contradictions, but I really don't want to waste my time going through all of your posts to show you (yep, I did read them all), so I'll just show you one:
Oh, but you are liberal. Much of your political postitioning says so, and, furthermore, you say so on your website. It doesn't matter what you label yourself, it's your views that speak volumes. From your site:
So, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck...
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So, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck...
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I hate democats. They prey more on minorites than any other party, and frankly, it makes me sick.
if you would bother to look up the definition of libertarian, you would read that I beleive in a government that PROTECTS us rather than putting us in harms way, and allows it's people true freedom. Nobody can tell me smoking weed is bad. I mean, sure, it kills you, but we're all gonna die. I'm enjoying myself, and frankly, the government has no right to tell me what I can and cannot do as long as its only me I'm hurting. Now, this can apply with abortion as well (I'm prochoice, since a woman's body is her decision), and other things up until the point of physical violence, murder, things of the sort. I beleive those are truely the only punishable crimes.
with that said, I beleive I would be lying if I said I wasn't liberal. But the fact remains, I'm not your typical liberal, either. Beleive it or not, I'm actually pretty smart.
I'll give you credit for being so serious about your beliefs, though, and you told us so by saying:
But, I've got news for you...you are a tremendous source of amusement. You are my entertainment, as I find myself laughing at the stuff you come up with. I am constantly amazed at the facts you can twist (like calling the DC sniper a terrorist, for one, but OK). Lighten up. This is an internet forum, and it is supposed to be entertainment.
But, I've got news for you...you are a tremendous source of amusement. You are my entertainment, as I find myself laughing at the stuff you come up with. I am constantly amazed at the facts you can twist (like calling the DC sniper a terrorist, for one, but OK). Lighten up. This is an internet forum, and it is supposed to be entertainment.
happy?
When it's all said and done, what you have to say comes down to this:
I think the above quote says it all. There's not a lot I can take seriously from THC induced psycobabble from someone who has alot of growing up to do.
I think the above quote says it all. There's not a lot I can take seriously from THC induced psycobabble from someone who has alot of growing up to do.
oh, we convieniently forgot about that, huh?
In any event, this thread has gone way off topic,
and I'll admit that this post does nothing to help.
I'm good at this, huh?
Sure, you can say it wasn't meant for the likes of me, but as I mentioned earlier, you would have been foolish to not expect any dissenting opinions based upon your cut and pasted post.
reading them shows all you know how to do is "agree." I don't see many actually thoughts coming from you. In fact, blackmagic and dvpgsr are the only two of you conservatives I actually respect. Fastball and yourself aren't too original.
As such, I'm just gonna back out.
You're old news,
and there is nothing to gain by going 'round and 'round.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sxecrow
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I didn't like oxygen anyway ... (here I wish the :rollseyes: smilie worked)
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actually, I would've picked the :jerkit: smilie.
booo hoooo lets argue over who wrote them instead of the facts put forward in the comment in the first place.
Actually they were given to fight Iranians, he then used them to gas the kurds, but us being his ally ... looked the other way.
However, you'd be saying exactly the opposite if we were being controlled by another country. You'd probably be one of the first to resist by blowing someone up. I know I would.
here in america, we haven't had to deal with that since the late 1700's. In fact, that was one of the reasons we kicked the british out.
but what do I know, I'm just a dumb liberal.
Maybe I'm the only one, but I still don't see how this would take years of planning. I mean ... come on. Buy plane tickets for flights that leave the same time from relatively close locations. Crash the planes after you take control into important structures. I coulda came up with that plan in a matter of hours.
whats the difference in his eyes? You're either with him, or with Al Queda. Welcome to "1984" - Ignorance is Strength.
and the difference would be?
Terrorist: one who engages in acts of terror to complete an objective. I see no difference between these assholes except 1 was here in the good US of A. I guess that disqualifies him as a "terrorist"?
Terrorist: one who engages in acts of terror to complete an objective. I see no difference between these assholes except 1 was here in the good US of A. I guess that disqualifies him as a "terrorist"?
08-26-2003 | 10:46 AM
#170
I need sleep...
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Well I am glad to see this thread has gone to complete crap...actually it went to crap a long time ago. I have really come to the conclusion that no matter what is posted, no mater how hard a fact it is, that fact will be either twisted so that it may be used in a liberal point of view or discredited so as not to be used at all. I have not seen anything of sound reasoning be posted by a liberal here...I am sure they can say the same for us Conservatives...so atleast we agree on something.
Somebody please lock this thread now!!
Somebody please lock this thread now!!