My speech for the day (republicans and war hawks, come have a field day)
01-16-2004 | 06:42 PM
#122
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Originally posted by HYBRID
but isnt it known that he did have them and that we gave it to him, with this known fact it is safe to say that he might still have unless he destroyed them under the order of the UN (which in my eyes is unlikely considering the kind of man he was).
but isnt it known that he did have them and that we gave it to him, with this known fact it is safe to say that he might still have unless he destroyed them under the order of the UN (which in my eyes is unlikely considering the kind of man he was).
01-17-2004 | 12:46 AM
#123
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From: Fridley, MN
Originally posted by NorCal DC4
Civic_love, Booty, vellfarretokyo.... Very well said all of you. :goodjob:
I said in the On Topic discussion prior to the invasion of Iraq, and I'll say it again.
Patriotism does not equal blind faith.
Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Cheney are in my opinion, an imminent threat to the Republic.
They are putting profit margins before prudence. American soldiers are dying by the hundreds to do little more than line the pockets of Halliburton shareholders.
Our forces are left divided between Afghanistan and Iraq; in neither campaign is there a concrete "exit strategy".
Meanwhile, the domestic issues of immigration, environmental regulation, unemployment and education - to name only a few - are at best being neglected like never before.
Need I remind you, these people we elect work for US! Instead of providing support, solutions and protection, we are being oppressed by fear and denied the services we are owed by our democracy, simply to oust leaders we find undesirable.
And now talks of space exploration are being used to forestall discussion of Bush's dismal record of domestic neglect. [ Mars Distracts!]
When we are being manipulated and lied to so blatantly, how can you NOT question the merits of this administration?
:angry: These people work for US! :angry:
Civic_love, Booty, vellfarretokyo.... Very well said all of you. :goodjob:
I said in the On Topic discussion prior to the invasion of Iraq, and I'll say it again.
Patriotism does not equal blind faith.
Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Cheney are in my opinion, an imminent threat to the Republic.
They are putting profit margins before prudence. American soldiers are dying by the hundreds to do little more than line the pockets of Halliburton shareholders.
Our forces are left divided between Afghanistan and Iraq; in neither campaign is there a concrete "exit strategy".
Meanwhile, the domestic issues of immigration, environmental regulation, unemployment and education - to name only a few - are at best being neglected like never before.
Need I remind you, these people we elect work for US! Instead of providing support, solutions and protection, we are being oppressed by fear and denied the services we are owed by our democracy, simply to oust leaders we find undesirable.
And now talks of space exploration are being used to forestall discussion of Bush's dismal record of domestic neglect. [ Mars Distracts!]
When we are being manipulated and lied to so blatantly, how can you NOT question the merits of this administration?
:angry: These people work for US! :angry:
:bowdown:
SANITY!!!
01-17-2004 | 05:24 AM
#124
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From: NoVA
Originally posted by wilsel
The reason it takes a college degree to get a decent job in the US is because the ratio of jobs to workers is getting worse every year. If you want the higher paying jobs, you have to make yourself better than the next guy. As more and more immigrants come to the US our job's are going overseas. Pretty soon you'll have to have a masters degree to get a job that pays $30K a year. Some people say the mexicans only do jobs that we don't want anymore. Sure but when you make $12 an hour to hang drywall your really making = to a tax payer that makes $17 an hour. The average worker can do his job with a computer, and a phone. Which means it can be done from anywhere. Thousands of jobs go to India each month, because the labor is so much cheaper. A software programmer in the India makes 25% what a programmer in the US makes. Bottom line every US citizen can get a college degree, but that will only even the competition across everyone. It will not affect the economy at all. So you'll end up with $40K in student loans for a job that pays a measly $30K a year. Good luck paying that one off. If you want the economy to boom, you have to create jobs not invite in illegals, and let American Companies take business elsewhere.
The reason it takes a college degree to get a decent job in the US is because the ratio of jobs to workers is getting worse every year. If you want the higher paying jobs, you have to make yourself better than the next guy. As more and more immigrants come to the US our job's are going overseas. Pretty soon you'll have to have a masters degree to get a job that pays $30K a year. Some people say the mexicans only do jobs that we don't want anymore. Sure but when you make $12 an hour to hang drywall your really making = to a tax payer that makes $17 an hour. The average worker can do his job with a computer, and a phone. Which means it can be done from anywhere. Thousands of jobs go to India each month, because the labor is so much cheaper. A software programmer in the India makes 25% what a programmer in the US makes. Bottom line every US citizen can get a college degree, but that will only even the competition across everyone. It will not affect the economy at all. So you'll end up with $40K in student loans for a job that pays a measly $30K a year. Good luck paying that one off. If you want the economy to boom, you have to create jobs not invite in illegals, and let American Companies take business elsewhere.
01-17-2004 | 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by HYBRID
but isnt it known that he did have them and that we gave it to him, with this known fact it is safe to say that he might still have unless he destroyed them under the order of the UN (which in my eyes is unlikely considering the kind of man he was).
but isnt it known that he did have them and that we gave it to him, with this known fact it is safe to say that he might still have unless he destroyed them under the order of the UN (which in my eyes is unlikely considering the kind of man he was).
If we knew he had them before we went in... our intelligence agencies had conclusive evidence of their existence...
Shouldn't we know where to find them?
01-17-2004 | 11:29 AM
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From: Near Albany NY
Originally posted by qtiger
If we knew he had them before we went in... our intelligence agencies had conclusive evidence of their existence...
Shouldn't we know where to find them?
If we knew he had them before we went in... our intelligence agencies had conclusive evidence of their existence...
Shouldn't we know where to find them?
i think the fact that it was like 20+ years ago that we gave them too him might give him a chance to potentially move them
01-17-2004 | 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by cobbcustomz
i think the fact that it was like 20+ years ago that we gave them too him might give him a chance to potentially move them
i think the fact that it was like 20+ years ago that we gave them too him might give him a chance to potentially move them
01-17-2004 | 10:26 PM
#128
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From: The Left Lane
Originally posted by Spood
:hugglez: x5839389540953323.7
:bowdown:
SANITY!!!
:hugglez: x5839389540953323.7
:bowdown:
SANITY!!!
:hugglez:
OTOH, I've never had anyone "accuse" me of being sane before...:huh:
h: 
:chuckles:Oh heck... :hugglez::cheers:
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