My speech for the day (republicans and war hawks, come have a field day)
01-16-2004 | 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by DVPGSR
Right now I do not see many solutions coming from the left. And I am not just talking about people posting here. If you look at the democratic presidential candidates they are not offering solutions, they are either a) attacking Dean, b) attacking each other, or c) criticizing President Bush. Dean has repeatedly stated his oposition to the war in Iraq...but has he offered a solution to it now that we are already there? To my knowledge I do not think he has. (someone correct me if I am wrong).
The only things I hear coming from the democrats is that Bush is wrong, from tax cuts, to the war, to the defecit, to the economy. But Bush's presidency is almost a 180 degree turn from Clinton's Presidency. So if Bush is so wrong, wouldn't that make Clinton right. Now that scares me. Why? Because look at all the escalation in terrorist attacks that happened during his 8 years in office. Each attack got larger, more brazen, and more lives were killed in each attack. And when Sudan offered Bin Laden to the US on a silver platter Clinton passed
And it is not like Clinton had a briliant military record as commander in chief. Somalia was a flop because he would not commit the needed troops. And when US soldiers got killed we pulled out. What did that show the terrorists? You kill Americans, they leave. After the bombings of the US embassies in Kenya and Nairobi what did we do? Spent millions of dollars on cruise missles to hit a few tents and a donkey in Afghanistan. And when the USS Cole was bombed you would think Clinton was unaware of it our military reaction was so stellar.
So what did this all culminate in? 9/11. And now that we have a President that takes no shit from people, and is not affraid to put the needed troops on the ground to send a serious message to terrorists people want to complain. To me it is mind boggling that people are upset that our President has finally said "Enough!" and has gone on the offensive putting the terrorists on the run, into hiding, and on the defensive.
I am really curious what people would be saying had Bush taken a page out of Clintons military book, lobbed a few cruise missles and called it a day, and then another, bigger terrorist attack occured. My money says the same people bitching about Iraq would be the same ones bitching Bush did nothing.
Right now I do not see many solutions coming from the left. And I am not just talking about people posting here. If you look at the democratic presidential candidates they are not offering solutions, they are either a) attacking Dean, b) attacking each other, or c) criticizing President Bush. Dean has repeatedly stated his oposition to the war in Iraq...but has he offered a solution to it now that we are already there? To my knowledge I do not think he has. (someone correct me if I am wrong).
The only things I hear coming from the democrats is that Bush is wrong, from tax cuts, to the war, to the defecit, to the economy. But Bush's presidency is almost a 180 degree turn from Clinton's Presidency. So if Bush is so wrong, wouldn't that make Clinton right. Now that scares me. Why? Because look at all the escalation in terrorist attacks that happened during his 8 years in office. Each attack got larger, more brazen, and more lives were killed in each attack. And when Sudan offered Bin Laden to the US on a silver platter Clinton passed
And it is not like Clinton had a briliant military record as commander in chief. Somalia was a flop because he would not commit the needed troops. And when US soldiers got killed we pulled out. What did that show the terrorists? You kill Americans, they leave. After the bombings of the US embassies in Kenya and Nairobi what did we do? Spent millions of dollars on cruise missles to hit a few tents and a donkey in Afghanistan. And when the USS Cole was bombed you would think Clinton was unaware of it our military reaction was so stellar.
So what did this all culminate in? 9/11. And now that we have a President that takes no shit from people, and is not affraid to put the needed troops on the ground to send a serious message to terrorists people want to complain. To me it is mind boggling that people are upset that our President has finally said "Enough!" and has gone on the offensive putting the terrorists on the run, into hiding, and on the defensive.
I am really curious what people would be saying had Bush taken a page out of Clintons military book, lobbed a few cruise missles and called it a day, and then another, bigger terrorist attack occured. My money says the same people bitching about Iraq would be the same ones bitching Bush did nothing.
Originally posted by cobbcustomz
I voted for Bush. I am glad i did. I am glad he has put his foot down and put a little fear into potential terrorists. Clinton sat around and banged hit intern instead of worrying about the safety of the US people. He didnt get to the bottom of the USS COle bombing. He let Osama Walk without even blinking an eye. I am sure all the family members who lost people in 9/11 are very happy about that one
He was way too worried about the public opinion. a few soldiers are lost in overseas endeavors and he immediately pulls out showing weakness.
Dean shot himself directly in the foot when he made the huge deal about us not even getting Saddam after the war in Iraq only to have that event happen after he opened his mouth.
and those people who were against the war in iraq. DO you think that what Saddam did to his people was ok? I think people threw a mild hissy fit when someone by the name of Hitler did the exact same.
I voted for Bush. I am glad i did. I am glad he has put his foot down and put a little fear into potential terrorists. Clinton sat around and banged hit intern instead of worrying about the safety of the US people. He didnt get to the bottom of the USS COle bombing. He let Osama Walk without even blinking an eye. I am sure all the family members who lost people in 9/11 are very happy about that one
He was way too worried about the public opinion. a few soldiers are lost in overseas endeavors and he immediately pulls out showing weakness.
Dean shot himself directly in the foot when he made the huge deal about us not even getting Saddam after the war in Iraq only to have that event happen after he opened his mouth.
and those people who were against the war in iraq. DO you think that what Saddam did to his people was ok? I think people threw a mild hissy fit when someone by the name of Hitler did the exact same.
Originally posted by wedley2
I think if pretty much the whole UN disagrees with Bush about going to war and he still does it, it pisses off a whole lotta countries. We are not the global police, let the UN decide what is best for the country. We invaded Iraq for "chemical weapons and weapons of mass destruction" yet we didnt find any. Maybe if we minded our own business like mexico we wouldnt have so many terrorist attacks. Shouldnt we be trying to fix the problems in America today, other than trying to fix problems in the rest of the world.
Liek some ppl say, Who cares? Who cares about other countries, let them rot to hell, although Iraq does provide some oil. We drive Hondas! we shouldnt hav to worry much about gasoline.
I think if pretty much the whole UN disagrees with Bush about going to war and he still does it, it pisses off a whole lotta countries. We are not the global police, let the UN decide what is best for the country. We invaded Iraq for "chemical weapons and weapons of mass destruction" yet we didnt find any. Maybe if we minded our own business like mexico we wouldnt have so many terrorist attacks. Shouldnt we be trying to fix the problems in America today, other than trying to fix problems in the rest of the world.
Liek some ppl say, Who cares? Who cares about other countries, let them rot to hell, although Iraq does provide some oil. We drive Hondas! we shouldnt hav to worry much about gasoline.
Originally posted by wilsel
Amen, I'm so sick of hearing about WMD's too. That's irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. He needed to be out of power wether he was a threat to the US or not, for the sake of his own people. AND those in neighboring countries.
Amen, I'm so sick of hearing about WMD's too. That's irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. He needed to be out of power wether he was a threat to the US or not, for the sake of his own people. AND those in neighboring countries.
Originally posted by NorCal DC4
Patriotism does not equal blind faith.
Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Cheney are in my opinion, an imminent threat to the Republic.
They are putting profit margins before prudence. American soldiers are dying by the hundreds to do little more than line the pockets of Halliburton shareholders.
Our forces are left divided between Afghanistan and Iraq; in neither campaign is there a concrete "exit strategy".
Meanwhile, the domestic issues of immigration, environmental regulation, unemployment and education - to name only a few - are at best being neglected like never before.
Need I remind you, these people we elect work for US! Instead of providing support, solutions and protection, we are being oppressed by fear and denied the services we are owed by our democracy, simply to oust leaders we find undesirable.
When we are being manipulated and lied to so blatantly, how can you NOT question the merits of this administration?
:angry: These people work for US! :angry:
Patriotism does not equal blind faith.
Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Cheney are in my opinion, an imminent threat to the Republic.
They are putting profit margins before prudence. American soldiers are dying by the hundreds to do little more than line the pockets of Halliburton shareholders.
Our forces are left divided between Afghanistan and Iraq; in neither campaign is there a concrete "exit strategy".
Meanwhile, the domestic issues of immigration, environmental regulation, unemployment and education - to name only a few - are at best being neglected like never before.
Need I remind you, these people we elect work for US! Instead of providing support, solutions and protection, we are being oppressed by fear and denied the services we are owed by our democracy, simply to oust leaders we find undesirable.
When we are being manipulated and lied to so blatantly, how can you NOT question the merits of this administration?
:angry: These people work for US! :angry:
Originally posted by atlaccordguy
True that, I really don't understand the liberal view. War is always going to happen the only thing that matters is who comes out on top and I am thankful that our president is taaking the steps to make sure that we do come out on top. If clinton or some other democratic puke was inn office during these years it would be a lot worse. And yes Clinton was a draft dodger.xChickenshitX
True that, I really don't understand the liberal view. War is always going to happen the only thing that matters is who comes out on top and I am thankful that our president is taaking the steps to make sure that we do come out on top. If clinton or some other democratic puke was inn office during these years it would be a lot worse. And yes Clinton was a draft dodger.xChickenshitX
01-16-2004 | 04:00 PM
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Our country was founded on the principal of no taxation without representation.....so what happens when our representatives stop listening?
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01-16-2004 | 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by Nightshade
Our country was founded on the principal of no taxation without representation.....so what happens when our representatives stop listening?
Our country was founded on the principal of no taxation without representation.....so what happens when our representatives stop listening?
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01-16-2004 | 04:07 PM
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we havnt found WMD because iraq is a huge desert and they could be hidden anywhere. if you had some and werent allowed to would you keep them in your basement or would you hide the best you could? so just because we havnt found them doesnt mean there arent any iraq.
now if i may ask hypothetically to all you non-believers of the fact that he had WMD. now follow me, hypothetically, if we do find weapons of mass destruction what will be your stand on this situation? will bush's actions be justified? just play along and present your thoughts. :thumbup:
thanks just want your opinions
now if i may ask hypothetically to all you non-believers of the fact that he had WMD. now follow me, hypothetically, if we do find weapons of mass destruction what will be your stand on this situation? will bush's actions be justified? just play along and present your thoughts. :thumbup:
thanks just want your opinions
01-16-2004 | 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by HYBRID
we havnt found WMD because iraq is a huge desert and they could be hidden anywhere. if you had some and werent allowed to would you keep them in your basement or would you hide the best you could? so just because we havnt found them doesnt mean there arent any iraq.
now if i may ask hypothetically to all you non-believers of the fact that he had WMD. now follow me, hypothetically, if we do find weapons of mass destruction what will be your stand on this situation? will bush's actions be justified? just play along and present your thoughts. :thumbup:
thanks just want your opinions
we havnt found WMD because iraq is a huge desert and they could be hidden anywhere. if you had some and werent allowed to would you keep them in your basement or would you hide the best you could? so just because we havnt found them doesnt mean there arent any iraq.
now if i may ask hypothetically to all you non-believers of the fact that he had WMD. now follow me, hypothetically, if we do find weapons of mass destruction what will be your stand on this situation? will bush's actions be justified? just play along and present your thoughts. :thumbup:
thanks just want your opinions
01-16-2004 | 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by MrFatbooty
And therein lies the difference. Some people are willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt in the absence of evidence while others are not.
And therein lies the difference. Some people are willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt in the absence of evidence while others are not.
01-16-2004 | 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by HYBRID
we havnt found WMD because iraq is a huge desert and they could be hidden anywhere. if you had some and werent allowed to would you keep them in your basement or would you hide the best you could? so just because we havnt found them doesnt mean there arent any iraq.
now if i may ask hypothetically to all you non-believers of the fact that he had WMD. now follow me, hypothetically, if we do find weapons of mass destruction what will be your stand on this situation? will bush's actions be justified? just play along and present your thoughts. :thumbup:
thanks just want your opinions
we havnt found WMD because iraq is a huge desert and they could be hidden anywhere. if you had some and werent allowed to would you keep them in your basement or would you hide the best you could? so just because we havnt found them doesnt mean there arent any iraq.
now if i may ask hypothetically to all you non-believers of the fact that he had WMD. now follow me, hypothetically, if we do find weapons of mass destruction what will be your stand on this situation? will bush's actions be justified? just play along and present your thoughts. :thumbup:
thanks just want your opinions
And thus, here lies the question: Did he destroy the WMDs as per the UN mandate? So far, we don't know. Simple as that.
Regardless though, I wont lie that I'm happy with the outcome that Saddam is out of power. I think it's also great news he's been captured and could be put to trial in an international military court.
The way we did it was questionable, especially considering how our government waged a full-on armed conflict without international accord.
I guess, though, my biggest complaint is that we're literally going about this all wrong IMO. We're concentrating on "End of the pipe" solutions, and thus only reacting to situations after the damage has been done. How bout we work to solve the problem _before_ more US citizen lives are lost?
01-16-2004 | 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by Epoch
I guess, though, my biggest complaint is that we're literally going about this all wrong IMO. We're concentrating on "End of the pipe" solutions, and thus only reacting to situations after the damage has been done. How bout we work to solve the problem _before_ more US citizen lives are lost?
I guess, though, my biggest complaint is that we're literally going about this all wrong IMO. We're concentrating on "End of the pipe" solutions, and thus only reacting to situations after the damage has been done. How bout we work to solve the problem _before_ more US citizen lives are lost?
01-16-2004 | 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by HYBRID
so what compells those that dont give him the benefit of the doubt to do so?
so what compells those that dont give him the benefit of the doubt to do so?
Maybe deceived it too harsh of a word, but he certainly has done his best to distract us while he damages the services I feel are most important.
01-16-2004 | 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by HYBRID
ok but solving the problem should have started years ago and it just so happens that we ran out luck and this whole terrorist fiasco started and we were pulled into retaliating, were we not? i dont think we could have sat around and just took what was given to us.
ok but solving the problem should have started years ago and it just so happens that we ran out luck and this whole terrorist fiasco started and we were pulled into retaliating, were we not? i dont think we could have sat around and just took what was given to us.