GOP using voter intimidation? IMPOSSIBLE
11-09-2006 | 08:10 AM
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11-09-2006 | 08:14 AM
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Please, do find an entitlement program with a price tag that even remotely resembles the DOD.
The entire Department of Health and Human Services functions on a budget that is a fraction of the DOD.
We could fund the Centers for Disease Control for 20 plus years on what we've spent in one year on Iraq.
There is a big difference between Billions and Trillions. About 3 decimal places if I remember correctly.
I personally do not like "entitlement" programs like welfare and disability. They are rife with fraud. I do like healthcare and research. My origional point was that we could spend more wisely. Please, do not attempt to twist it. The point is clear.
The entire Department of Health and Human Services functions on a budget that is a fraction of the DOD.
We could fund the Centers for Disease Control for 20 plus years on what we've spent in one year on Iraq.
There is a big difference between Billions and Trillions. About 3 decimal places if I remember correctly.
I personally do not like "entitlement" programs like welfare and disability. They are rife with fraud. I do like healthcare and research. My origional point was that we could spend more wisely. Please, do not attempt to twist it. The point is clear.
These are the 2006 Budgets for the following... (in millions of dollars)
DOD - $426,286 LINK
Social Security (OASI) - $447,900 LINK
Department of Health & Human Services - $660,406 LINK
So the DOD is actually LESS than the DHHS, NOT that the DHHS is a fraction of the DOD.
NONE of these budgets are even close to the Trillion dollar mark, two are even below $500 Billion, one of which is the DOD. But add HHS & just OASI and you are at the trillion dollar mark.
I am not trying to twist anything, merely putting the facts on the table and basing my decision on them. And after displaying the facts here I still stand by my original post.
11-09-2006 | 08:15 AM
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Besides you really think that the middle class should pay the burden?
11-09-2006 | 08:20 AM
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I think every American has their part of the burden to carry. Besides, the only way that the middle class will carry all the burden is if Republicans refuse to work with Democrats towards a well-made policy and instead simply let the cuts expire in order to use the "Democrats hate the middle class" angle at the next election. Oh no, did I spoil your plan? :run:
11-09-2006 | 08:27 AM
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These are the 2006 Budgets for the following... (in millions of dollars)
DOD - $426,286 LINK
Social Security (OASI) - $447,900 LINK
Department of Health & Human Services - $660,406 LINK
So the DOD is actually LESS than the DHHS, NOT that the DHHS is a fraction of the DOD.
NONE of these budgets are even close to the Trillion dollar mark, two are even below $500 Billion, one of which is the DOD. But add HHS & just OASI and you are at the trillion dollar mark.
I am not trying to twist anything, merely putting the facts on the table and basing my decision on them. And after displaying the facts here I still stand by my original post.
DOD - $426,286 LINK
Social Security (OASI) - $447,900 LINK
Department of Health & Human Services - $660,406 LINK
So the DOD is actually LESS than the DHHS, NOT that the DHHS is a fraction of the DOD.
NONE of these budgets are even close to the Trillion dollar mark, two are even below $500 Billion, one of which is the DOD. But add HHS & just OASI and you are at the trillion dollar mark.
I am not trying to twist anything, merely putting the facts on the table and basing my decision on them. And after displaying the facts here I still stand by my original post.
Edit: Here's discretionary spending, from the CBO. As you can see, the Defense appropriations are as large as all the other catagories combined.
http://www.cbo.gov/budget/approps/approps.pdf
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11-09-2006 | 08:48 AM
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As you can see, the Defense appropriations are as large as all the other catagories combined.
http://www.cbo.gov/budget/approps/approps.pdf
http://www.cbo.gov/budget/approps/approps.pdf
When the current administration's deficit spending comes home to roost our children and grandchildren will be asking us "WHY?" What are we supposed to tell them? Iraq? LOL
11-09-2006 | 08:52 AM
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Uhm, actually you are dead wrong.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1693.html
http://www.budget.house.gov/eu56jul13-2006.pdf
http://www.freedomworks.org/newsroom...?press_id=1804
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050402134.html
And there are plenty more links out there.
And it still has not changed...
The middle class will carry the burden if Democrats have their way...if the Democrats are serious about curbing spending and relieving the preassures on American families they will work with the Republicans. Otherwise they will expose themselves once again as tax & spend liberals. You have not ruined anything...
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1693.html
http://www.budget.house.gov/eu56jul13-2006.pdf
http://www.freedomworks.org/newsroom...?press_id=1804
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050402134.html
And there are plenty more links out there.
Saying the Democrats are the big spenders is so 1982.
I think every American has their part of the burden to carry. Besides, the only way that the middle class will carry all the burden is if Republicans refuse to work with Democrats towards a well-made policy and instead simply let the cuts expire in order to use the "Democrats hate the middle class" angle at the next election. Oh no, did I spoil your plan?
11-09-2006 | 08:56 AM
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Uhm, actually you are dead wrong.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1693.html
http://www.budget.house.gov/eu56jul13-2006.pdf
http://www.freedomworks.org/newsroom...?press_id=1804
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050402134.html
And there are plenty more links out there.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1693.html
http://www.budget.house.gov/eu56jul13-2006.pdf
http://www.freedomworks.org/newsroom...?press_id=1804
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050402134.html
And there are plenty more links out there.
All of these articles say "Before we cut taxes our deficit was X. After the cut, our deficit was X + 100, but then the economy got better so our deficit is now X + 90. YAY!!!"
You still have less tax revenues than before you started, you just have more than was projected because the economy improved.
11-09-2006 | 08:57 AM
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This is because the Iraq war is not on the budget. It is off-budget spending.
Edit: Here's discretionary spending, from the CBO. As you can see, the Defense appropriations are as large as all the other catagories combined.
http://www.cbo.gov/budget/approps/approps.pdf
Edit: Here's discretionary spending, from the CBO. As you can see, the Defense appropriations are as large as all the other catagories combined.
http://www.cbo.gov/budget/approps/approps.pdf
11-09-2006 | 08:59 AM
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Please show me where ANY of these articles, or others "out there" show that taxes after the tax cuts exceed taxes BEFORE the tax cuts.
All of these articles say "Before we cut taxes our deficit was X. After the cut, our deficit was X + 100, but then the economy got better so our deficit is now X + 90. YAY!!!"
You still have less tax revenues than before you started, you just have more than was projected because the economy improved.
All of these articles say "Before we cut taxes our deficit was X. After the cut, our deficit was X + 100, but then the economy got better so our deficit is now X + 90. YAY!!!"
You still have less tax revenues than before you started, you just have more than was projected because the economy improved.
From the first article, second sentance...
“Corporate tax receipts this year will probably cross the $300-billion threshold for the first time,