Wow. The fact that you would support torturing and arresting people without trial astounding. Do you realize what you are saying? You suggest completely throwing out almost every right given to us in the constitution for the sake of security? Are you mad? Do you not realize that this is a war that WILL NOT END. Rights taken away from us now for the sake of 'war' will never be given back. Why? THIS WAR WILL NOT END. This is NOT WW2. We are fighting independent terrorist organizations around the globe. It will be physically impossible to defeat them all, if any.

You claim that the war for our freedom (the war against terror) is about protecting our freedom, while at the same time you suggest taking them away. Do you not see how hypocritical your arguement is?

This is disgusting. You hide under your American flag claiming the US has moral superiority over other nations. You condemn Saddam for torturing, yet you are all for the US being able to torture. As much as I love the US, we are not so great as to hold double-standards.

 

Where did Tom say anything about tortue, and where has the US Government ever been proven to be torturing its captives And I mean TORTURE, not making them listen to loud music or only one meal a day

Going back to the basic argument...how have the wiretaps taken away any of my freedoms? Or any of anyone's freedoms?

 

I know this is a tough one but go back an read my post. Obviously you did not because NOWHERE do I ever condone or sanction torture.

And I am glad you have exposed your defeatest attitude. If all liberals hold your beliefs then we are in serious trouble should Democrats be put back in charge of national security.

This war is clearly winable. Can it be done overnight? No, but I am not expecting it to. But with the right combination of force and diplomacy we can win. Iraq was the model of what to do in order to face the wrath of the US militray, Libya is the model of what to do when cooperating. Because Libya has worked with us, renounced terrorism, paid reparations to the families of past terror attacks, and stopped supporting terrorist groups they are now taken off the US list of state sponsors of terror. We are also on the way to normalizing relations with them.

Lets see if Iran wants the carrot or the stick.

 

*sigh* The US government has affirmed out-of-country prisons in operation. It has also been extremely iffy on the subject of torture. It could also be argued that holding people in secret prisons without trial is a form of torture. Granted, the government has not come right out and said that they torture people. Do yuo expect them to?

On the subject of wiretaps...I am confused how people do not get offended by wiretaps or call databases. AM I the only one that does not like to have the government looking over my shoulder? Not to mention, one thing usually leads to another in these cases. First, call databases...then wiretaps...then reading emails...then keeping track of websites visited...et cetra.

It is scary to think of what might become of this...and honestly, I do not want to find out. I will NOT take any chances with my rights.

 

Wiretaps do not bother me because our nations intelligence agencies do not care what I call my wife about during the day. They could give two $hits if I want lasagna and she wants corned beef for dinner.

The wiretaps are used for people making or receiving calls from known Al Qaeda members overseas. That is not domestic spying as the media would like you to believe. Whereas I do not call Al Qaeda nor do they call me I am not concerned. And if for some reason Al Qaeda does call me I will keep them on the phone long enough to get the local FBI field office on the line with one of my other phones.

I want to catch the bastards...not help them do their job.

Besides liberals are all upset that someone leaked Valerie Plames name and are asking for Libby & Rove's heads on a platter. But when the Administration wants to know who is leaking National Security secrets they are all for it. Hrmm....I am thinking of a word that starts with the letter "H"...

 

Yeah...loud music can be irritating...I guess it's not "hard core" torture. I guess force feeding un-triad individuals with plastic tubes that are shoved down there throats really isn't a big deal either. I mean, if I went on a hunger strike because I was falsely held behind bars, I would expect to have a plastic tube shoved down my esaphagus into my stomach and have contaminated pureed meat poured into my intestines legit...and by all means, share that tube. It won't bother me that it is bloodied from the guy you just used it on 5 minutes ago.

But DONT TELL ANYONE!!!...OMG if the press got a hold of that, these terrorists will get away with murder! Think of all the liberals that will be bothered by that! Hell...the Pope might even get involved!

Why can't we all just let the president handle things in a manner that he feels is best. It may intrude on our personal life, it might make anyone that outbursts and argues our presidents decisions guilty and held accountable for treason, but he has the power...he is allowed that power. The House allows him that power. We should respect the house...they are in it for the people of america. Some might say the house and the administration is filled with criminals...they all hold a liberal bias and have a "pre-911" mentality. All the power in the world should be given to this president. And if you disagree, you really don't have a say. Any law that is passed, the president writes a signing note on the bill stating that he doesn't have to follow that law. Ever wonder why he's the first president to never veto a bill? He doesn't have to. By law, he is allowed to right his own personal note that overpowers that bill. And who is left to argue his decisions? The republican Congress or the Republican Senate? No...the Clinton loving (LOL I have to stop and laugh at those comments for a sec - gotta love FOX news...ahahahahaha) devil worshiping left winged media...

We need to give him more power. His opinion matters and it's the only opinion that matters. Not only does that opinion matter, that opinion is now a law...He's the decider...he rules...he is the king of our land...Anyone that leaks anything that informs the public of his secrets to kindomship shall parish and be beheaded at the mercy of our king.

 

Here is a good, factual article on the situation. Sure it is a right wing site anda right wing columnist but that does not make him wrong.

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu...16/197678.html

 

I have no problem with NSA looking at phone records provided by cell phone providers. No names involved, no conversations involved, just locations and the number it's been called from and called to.

Whats your point? This is mildly argued and the majority doesn't really care. It's actual phone conversations and specific individuals and organizations that get targeted...thats whats troubeling. Where does it stop? We don't even know where it begins! And with a president that has made statements that have been proven false, and while he asks us to trust him, it makes me really wonder.

 

Such as...?

 

NSA has some real secret shit going on that you guys wouldnt believe. in anme of national security, i agree with it. if your not doing anyhting wrong, why does it matter? they have key words that flag stuff. if you talk about destroying a government building your gonna get flagged, if you tlak about your grandma's pie, they arent gonna flag you. its as simple as that. i have no problem with the NSA. i think you need someone to keep the people in check. heck they do it in europe, asia, africa. i think the nsa is a good thing. there is someone even to keep them in check. but yet do you really think the senate runs this country? lol