i said average age. And i think most younger buyers are in Civics rather than the accord. and i said they look similar. Yes, and i know why they have more aftermarket parts.... *some* Young honda owners like to be rice, and so they are supplied with it. For some reason, honda owners like to change their cars so that they no longer look like hondas, and so they have the parts to do so. And you, have a GREAT day!!

Thank you I will most certainly try!:bigok:

You who complains about EVERYTHING in the Accord. You complain about Honda catering LESS than 10% of the Accord to customers who wants an affordable barebone car with the DX trim. Then you complain about 240HP. Then when someone proves you wrong, you go flame them and use childish name calling or reply with "your momma" insults. And now you're trying to through out some pity? :rofl: Seriously, you're "sick and tired" of me comment really put a BIG SMILE on my face and makes me laugh my ass off.

That's what I said. The LAYOUT of the CAMRY's interior is SIMILAR to the BUICK. I never mentioned anything about quality difference. The point of my statement was Camry is obviously made to cater older customers that shops for BUICKs than they are for the Accord, Altima, or Passat. Even the fricking slushy handling is like a Buick.


Please provide your source. I'll throw my source in:

Popular Mechanics Owners Report - Toyota Camry
Age Distribution:
Under 30 - 7.2%
30-49 - 37.8
50-plus - 55.0

Popular Mechanics Owners Report - Honda Accord
Age Distribution:
Under 30 - 17.3%
30-49 - 38.1
50-plus - 44.6

:eek: Look at the Under 30 category!!!! :thumbup:

Those are from a survey, and surveys ask people, and Demographics are facts. Mine were actual facts, not an owner survey.

http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/heraudsp...=10143&src=vip
http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/heraudsp...=10158&src=vip

Ok, I know I'm just a newbie around here, but I do know cars. Who cares what 94UhkorGuy thinks?!? He's allowed to have his opinion, although I agree his way of presenting it is rather irritating.

I'm confident that when the test results come out the Accord will once again be best or near the top in its class in nearly all areas except maybe styling. Lets face it, with a mushy suspension and less than 200hp the Camry is no threat to the Accord. At least not in the eyes of those who value performance like me and I'm sure most other forum members.

My personal opinion is that in this general price range the only other cars worth considering are the Passat and Altima, but I may be biased since I currently own a Passat.

Taking a survey and compiling the data is STATISTICS. First off, the Camry got a refresh for 2002, so it's relatively a new model that Toyota aimed to cut the mean average age by 4 years and has an advantage to the 5 year old Accord. Give me the stats for the previous Camry to the current model Accord or wait for the new Accord to compare stats. Second, the your "facts" is vague and does not show the age ranges or if the age demographic was a mean or median average. The PM survey clearly shows a large difference in the under 30 age to take into consideration.

This is the EXACT point I made earlier about you attempting to offend people when you're desperate for a reply. Get an education and learn how to debate with more intelligence without the childish insults.

Honda
Number of Dealers
In USA 956

Sales on the U.S. Market
Model 1999 2000 % Change

Accord 404,192 404,515 %

432 Accords sold per dealer. My stat!

Toyota
Number of Dealers
In USA 1,194

Sales on the U.S. Market
Model 1999 2000 % Change

Camry 448,162 422,961 -6%

354 Camrys sold per dealer. My stat again!

Even with fleet sales the Camry still went down...while % wise the Accord stayed the same they were selling more than the previous year. At least it is positive. Honda also sells more Accords per dealer than Toyota sells Camrys.

Thanks for the links they provided me with useful information.

Ah, considering 70% of both Camry and Accord buyers opt for the 4cyl.... i highly doubt they buy a car for performance.

P.S. I dont know if you knew this, but we have both an Accord + a Camry. They both have their pros/cons, and i dont have to sit here all day and figure out which ones are most important to you, nor do i care. You are anti-camry in every way, and i am anti- saturn in every way, so keep your comments to yourself, and ill do the same. And i should have said thius earlier.... who really cares how old drivers are, who cares how many sell, who cares what interior anyone likes better. You buy what you like, and drive what you want. Sales mean nothing, are the owners satisfied? Great, if not, buy something else.

The way you complain about the Accord having an unneccessary 240 hp to having the DX trim to saying the Camry's better in every way, you sound like your so against the Accord and falsely imply the Camry is better in every way.

I definatley agree that the Altima is outclassed when it comes to interior fit, finish, and materials. Nissan's stongpoint in my opinion has always been their engineering and not design/ergonomics. Meaning that while they're capable of producing some of the best performance cars out there (GT-R, Silvia, Z), they really struggle when it comes to creating a simple family sedan.

To me the new Altima only proves this point further, it's like they said to themselves while designing it, "Okay, instead of trying to focus on ergonomics and interior materials, which we're not very good at doing, let's instead focus on the mechanics and performance since those are our company's strengths." If that really was what Nissan was thinking then the surely accomplished their goal, no other family car in it's price range comes close to it in terms of performance.

But by taking this path they alienated a lot of their potential customer base, the majority of family car buyers aren't looking for performance, they're looking for comfort and ergonomics. Maybe they knew this, afterall isn't their new company slogan 'We create cars that are everything to some people, not something for everyone'. The Altima certainly fits that statement, for the few people out there who want great performance but for whatever reason need to buy a family sedan the Altima is the perfect choice. For everyone else looking for more traditional family car values there's the Accord and Camry.

I think what Nissan ended up doing probably worked out best for them. They really wouldn't have been able to seriously compete with the Camry or Accord by creating a similarly comfortable and quiet family car with a nice interior. This is because most Camry and Accord buyers don't even shop around, they're repeat buyers who have owned a Camry or Accord in the past and were satisfied with their car so that's what they puchase again.

exaclty ;)

94UhkorGuy and kazi, yall did get kind of carried away here. PM each other or talk on aim or something. You both turned your post in to personal ones that had nothing to do witht he Accord kick ass interior :fawk:

Why do you have to say that? The Camry vs Buick picture was a respectable counter-argument to your post. It was after that post with your "im sick and tired" statement that started it this trash. :slap:

These pictures are from this article but the website is really slow. There are quite a few more images you can check out, but these pictures really make the sedan look better. I really like how it looks in these 3 pics.

http://www.jrlweb.com/images/accords...ntside-900.jpg http://www.jrlweb.com/images/accords...arside-900.jpg http://www.jrlweb.com/images/Accord_Sedan_02.jpg

Dyno's comparing the current 2.3L 150hp VTEC i4 (grey) to the 2.4L 160hp i-VTEC i4 (black):

http://osx.wieck.com/pv/WKA/2002/07/...2948057_pv.jpg

Dyno's comparing the current 3.0L 200hp VTEC V6 (grey) to the 3.0L 240hp i-VTEC V6 (black):

http://osx.wieck.com/pv/WKA/2002/07/...2948039_pv.jpg

Can someone use the photoshop to change the color of the sedan to black please. I want to see how it looks in dark color. If possible, change it to gun metal color also. Thanks!!! ;)

I dont like that color Honda chose to show off the Accord in, a dark blue or red would have been much nicer.

According to the website, is v6 5spd auto the sportshift same as Acura TL?

It said, "5-speed auto in V6 different from 5-speed auto in 4-cylinder, V6 auto same as Acura 3.2 TL"

:thumbup:

Thank you!

I wonder how where they pulled all that torque from in the J30 though...And also, I was expecting the dyno of the K24 to be way more linear.

Don't be surprised if that number decreases to 60/40 or closer..... whith the return of a man. trans. V-6 for Honda in the Acura CL-S, they can't keep those cars in stock. Now, the Accord is gonna be five grand cheaper, a more rigid frame and construction than the CL-S, which is based on the '02 Accord, and an even better level of refinement and quality. I think it may come to a point that either Honda can't keep up with demand for the EX V6 stick, or they will be forced in to making more than they want to. Sound like this will definitely be higher production than the CL-S, anyway. Man, I can't wait!

Werent there only like 1,500 6-Speed CL's built?

Anyway, here is the golden question, will the 6-Speed have a LSD, I guess not since non on the magazine reviews have said anything about it.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/1...tupict.500.jpg


I agree with u on the some of the material quality of the Altima but the ergonomics don't get any better.

Accord interior from pics look very nice and I can't wait to see it in person.

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/N...ages/Dash2.jpg

Thats was some custom wood.

The gauge layout is perfect
http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/N...es/Cluster.jpg

that is spaced well and everything, but I like the speedo and tach to be the same size, both as center as possible, as in VW/Audi's and BMW's.

Like this
http://www.northstarbmw.org/images/o...3_-_Gauges.jpg

The layout is like the 6th and 7th gen Accords, with a speedo in the middle and tach and fuel/temp on each side of it. The Honda typically has a larger speedo in the middle, which I like. The Altima has that tunnel'ing like the Lexus GS I like too. But I'm not a big fan of the orange/amber lights. I prefer a white or blue color, and to some extent green over the orange.

From what I've heard, the 7th gen Accords has a Lexus like instrument panel that mimics the lighting of a Mercedes and Lexus. :thumbup:

That is the best layout for a dash and is copied by many other car manufacturers. It is typical to European car manufacturers and is where it started.

la la la... coupe with a spoiler anyone? :)

I just noticed something. The hoodline and top of the front fenders of the Accord looks VERY similar to the S2000 with that V angles, like this: \_/ .


http://osx.wieck.com/pv/WKA/2002/07/...3036916_pv.jpg

http://www2.gol.com/users/motors/showroom/S2000.jpg

I think with that angle of the Accord, the Accord's fenders might be more pronounced and stronger in looks than the current 6th gen styling. I have a hunch it looks better in person than in pictures.

:eek:

If you ask me, they shoulda made it look even more like the S2000, especially the coupe. The S2000 is Honda's flagship car in many ways, and a strong resemblense to it can only do good. 6-Speed with 240hp, kinda sounds familiar if u know what im saying. Too bad its FWD ;)

my car has a tach and speedo that are the same size w/ gas and temp gauges to the side. is it euro? :D

Hey mine does too! Wize a$$:fawk:

It is European inspired but not european made.

fugly:p

Accord interior is very nice and well put together:D

How many times do we hear the term "euro" being used"
"Look at our new Euro signals!" ugh

Now exporting.
 

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...5.jpg.orig.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...c.jpg.orig.jpg
It witnessed it in the Chiba Prefecture Narashino City the other day.
For the United States and Asia LX.

:eek:http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...1.jpg.orig.jpg

Re: Now exporting.
 

I'm confused. These pics were taken in Japan? Isnt the JDM accord different than the US version?

Re: Re: Now exporting.
 

From what I heard, Honda will use the US spec Accord in Japan and Euro, since the previous JDM and Euro Accords were very close in size with the new Civics.

yianni64,kazi.
 

This photograph is near the port it is in Tokyo Bay in Japan. Export equipment of Honda hereA part of USDM was made in the Sayama factory. Might the amount for which production is not in time in the United States. JDM and Europe are common models in a next Gen accord. The United States and Southeast Asia are common models. As for JDM and a European model, the size is small and the design is also different.
Thanks:thumbup:

Re: Re: Now exporting.
 

There is a Costco in Japan????....hmmm heheh ;) :D :p

Look at the third picture..... the yellow banner on the top deck of the truck written in Japanese seems a little digitaly enhanced, if you know what I mean, since it does not appear it the other two.