Undecided between SC/Turbo/Nitrous
10-15-2002 | 09:31 AM
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Undecided between SC/Turbo/Nitrous or screw my auto and get a GSR or ITR tranny/motor
Here me setup:
B18B1 Automatic 1995 with 85K miles
Airmass 4-2-1 header
AEM Cold Air Intake
2 1/4 in catback vibrant perf. exhaust
koni yellows + eibach sportlines
Well here's my question... I recently bought a book called Max Boost, read it from cover to cover and learned a lot about turbos. Everything sounds great, but the fact that I don't get any boost until 3700-4000 RPM pisses me off because Integras Automatic are slow to get the RPMS that high aside from when you're hitting WOT. On the other hand, belt Superchargers won't give me as much power as turbo but boost will always be on. I also want to include NOS in my setup and can it be installed before the turbo or supercharger and what type?
So my decision dilema comes down to the three options below and I want to know what some of you would decide and which parts that I currently have are reusable and aside from the obvious ones, which ones are lost:
1. **** the auto, get a GSR or Type R motor and tranny swap. I have contacts that can do GSR for 3000$ CAN (about 1800 US) and type R B18C5 for 4000$ CAN. Put a Nitrous oxide system. Can I put back cold-air and exhaust? Keep everything else ALL MOTOR.
2. Keep auto, get supercharger. What kind of nitrous system is compatible with supercharger? wet or dry and brand.
Get a torque converter upgrade (level 10, upgrade from 2600 RPM stall to 2850 stall) and tranny oil cooler.
3. Keep auto, get turbo with dry nitrous setup (75 shot)
Get a torque converter upgrade (level 10, upgrade from 2600 RPM stall to 2850 stall) and tranny oil cooler.
What would you do?
BTW I want to achieve about 220-240+ WHP Will I be needing bigger fuel injectors/pump and computer to get there? Anyone got Stock 1995 SE Dyno charts?
B18B1 Automatic 1995 with 85K miles
Airmass 4-2-1 header
AEM Cold Air Intake
2 1/4 in catback vibrant perf. exhaust
koni yellows + eibach sportlines
Well here's my question... I recently bought a book called Max Boost, read it from cover to cover and learned a lot about turbos. Everything sounds great, but the fact that I don't get any boost until 3700-4000 RPM pisses me off because Integras Automatic are slow to get the RPMS that high aside from when you're hitting WOT. On the other hand, belt Superchargers won't give me as much power as turbo but boost will always be on. I also want to include NOS in my setup and can it be installed before the turbo or supercharger and what type?
So my decision dilema comes down to the three options below and I want to know what some of you would decide and which parts that I currently have are reusable and aside from the obvious ones, which ones are lost:
1. **** the auto, get a GSR or Type R motor and tranny swap. I have contacts that can do GSR for 3000$ CAN (about 1800 US) and type R B18C5 for 4000$ CAN. Put a Nitrous oxide system. Can I put back cold-air and exhaust? Keep everything else ALL MOTOR.
2. Keep auto, get supercharger. What kind of nitrous system is compatible with supercharger? wet or dry and brand.
Get a torque converter upgrade (level 10, upgrade from 2600 RPM stall to 2850 stall) and tranny oil cooler.
3. Keep auto, get turbo with dry nitrous setup (75 shot)
Get a torque converter upgrade (level 10, upgrade from 2600 RPM stall to 2850 stall) and tranny oil cooler.
What would you do?
BTW I want to achieve about 220-240+ WHP Will I be needing bigger fuel injectors/pump and computer to get there? Anyone got Stock 1995 SE Dyno charts?
10-15-2002 | 01:35 PM
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You can get a turbo that will spool before 3700 RPM. But here's the thing. But be aware that with the automatic transmission is going to kill your 60 foot times. ShadowDawn has an automatic LS with a RevHard Stage 2 turbo kit running 8 psi. Here's his latest dyno after he tuned the car with an S-AFC:
Good numbers power-wise, of course. Before the car was tuned he ran a 14.8 @ 95.7 mph (this while it was putting down about 175 whp). GSR's with bolt ons can run in the high 14's all day long, although they trap at lower speeds since a typical GSR with bolt ons will put down 155 whp. Granted, traction is the main problem with the automatic and from a rolling start it would probably kill a GSR with bolt ons.
If you don't mind putting a ton of time and money into your automatic car, and don't care about resale value down the line then go ahead and get a stick shift swapped in. Realistically though, it would be much simpler to put your automatic car back to stock and buy something with a stick. Assuming it's an Integra your parts will all swap over or otherwise you can sell them.
Good numbers power-wise, of course. Before the car was tuned he ran a 14.8 @ 95.7 mph (this while it was putting down about 175 whp). GSR's with bolt ons can run in the high 14's all day long, although they trap at lower speeds since a typical GSR with bolt ons will put down 155 whp. Granted, traction is the main problem with the automatic and from a rolling start it would probably kill a GSR with bolt ons.
If you don't mind putting a ton of time and money into your automatic car, and don't care about resale value down the line then go ahead and get a stick shift swapped in. Realistically though, it would be much simpler to put your automatic car back to stock and buy something with a stick. Assuming it's an Integra your parts will all swap over or otherwise you can sell them.
10-16-2002 | 07:16 AM
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With the information contained in your message and the fact that I know you've been moderator here for long, I think I'm going to invest in the revhard stage ii kit and see where that brings me, Shadowdawn told me some good things about it and that his tranny was holding up no problem. For an extra grand, I can combine the turbo with a level10 torque converter with higher stall speed and oil cooler for the tranny. I am wondering if a 75 shot nitrous would bring me close to my 240 WHP target, should I be getting a dry setup or single fogger wet if the turbo is in place? What nitrous system brand do you recommend for the setup I want and will stock internals support boost + nitrous or will I need some forged pistons? Will I need a piggy back ecu or hondata to get all this to work or will the stock 95 ecu be able to handle the fuel requirements of 8 psi boost, why did shadowdawn get the safc? Did he already get new bigger fuel injectors, cause I remember him mentioning something to me to that effect.
Originally posted by MrFatBooty
You can get a turbo that will spool before 3700 RPM. But here's the thing. But be aware that with the automatic transmission is going to kill your 60 foot times. ShadowDawn has an automatic LS with a RevHard Stage 2 turbo kit running 8 psi. Here's his latest dyno after he tuned the car with an S-AFC:
Good numbers power-wise, of course. Before the car was tuned he ran a 14.8 @ 95.7 mph (this while it was putting down about 175 whp). GSR's with bolt ons can run in the high 14's all day long, although they trap at lower speeds since a typical GSR with bolt ons will put down 155 whp. Granted, traction is the main problem with the automatic and from a rolling start it would probably kill a GSR with bolt ons.
If you don't mind putting a ton of time and money into your automatic car, and don't care about resale value down the line then go ahead and get a stick shift swapped in. Realistically though, it would be much simpler to put your automatic car back to stock and buy something with a stick. Assuming it's an Integra your parts will all swap over or otherwise you can sell them.
You can get a turbo that will spool before 3700 RPM. But here's the thing. But be aware that with the automatic transmission is going to kill your 60 foot times. ShadowDawn has an automatic LS with a RevHard Stage 2 turbo kit running 8 psi. Here's his latest dyno after he tuned the car with an S-AFC:
Good numbers power-wise, of course. Before the car was tuned he ran a 14.8 @ 95.7 mph (this while it was putting down about 175 whp). GSR's with bolt ons can run in the high 14's all day long, although they trap at lower speeds since a typical GSR with bolt ons will put down 155 whp. Granted, traction is the main problem with the automatic and from a rolling start it would probably kill a GSR with bolt ons.
If you don't mind putting a ton of time and money into your automatic car, and don't care about resale value down the line then go ahead and get a stick shift swapped in. Realistically though, it would be much simpler to put your automatic car back to stock and buy something with a stick. Assuming it's an Integra your parts will all swap over or otherwise you can sell them.