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Old 04-19-2004 | 03:29 PM
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hey y'all I have been looking for tires all day long and cant find what i want...
I need only 2 front tires for the track size: 190/60/14
post up some websites where I might get something cheep just for a few runs on the track...

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Old 04-19-2004 | 03:33 PM
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You might be having problems because there's no such thing as a 190/60-14 tire.

(Stock size is 195/60-14)

Also if you're replacing just two tires, you should always put the fresh ones on the rear of the car. Putting the fresh ones on the front can make the car tail-happy and more prone to snap lift-throttle oversteer.
Old 04-19-2004 | 03:42 PM
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correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't it be better to put the new tires up front for a front wheel drive car?
Old 04-19-2004 | 05:32 PM
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Reread his post, it can make your car tail happy and handle a bit squirrelly. I would put the good tires on the front and slow down a bit. You can not go wrong with yokohama,
Old 04-19-2004 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jockJDM
correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't it be better to put the new tires up front for a front wheel drive car?
That line of reasoning does have a nice ring to it, eh?

Basically it comes down to what exactly over- and understeer are.

Oversteer is when the rear tires break traction before the fronts. You point the steering wheel a certain angle, and the car turns farther than you intend; hence "over" steer.

Understeer is when the front tires break traction before the rears. You point the steering wheel a certain angle, but the car doesn't turn as much as you intend; hence "under" steer.

Oversteer is generally considered to be a more uncontrollable problem than understeer, especially on a front wheel drive car. Here's an example of what can go wrong.

You're driving on a highway offramp at a reasonable rate of speed, then notice a bunch of cars up ahead are going to make it tough to merge. Your natural reaction is to immediately get off the gas pedal, and perhaps even step on the brake. When this happens, the weight of the car pushes down on the front wheels more, and gives them more traction (the car's inertia means it will want to continue going forward at the same rate of speed rather than slow down like you're trying to do). At the same time, the rear tires have a bunch of weight taken off them, and they lose traction. Since the fronts have all that extra traction and the rears have less than normal, the fronts dig in to the road while the rear end whips around. This is called off-throttle oversteer, and now you're in a ditch. It's an inherent problem with front wheel drive cars. If you put newer (and thus, stickier) tires on the front of a car, the difference in traction front-to-rear will be increased, and the car will be more likely to bite you in the ass.

I could go into why oversteer isn't as big a deal on a rwd car but I've already gone on too long.
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Anyway back to which tire to get in size 195/60-14.

Do you want an all-season tire? A performance tire? How much are you looking to spend? What are the other tires you've got right now?
Old 04-19-2004 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
Anyway back to which tire to get in size 195/60-14.

Do you want an all-season tire? A performance tire? How much are you looking to spend? What are the other tires you've got right now?

yea i ment 195/60/14

hehe

looking to spend no more than $80-90
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There are 30 tires that show up in your size on tirerack.com and pretty much all of em are within your budget. You're going to have to be a bit more specific.

So...

What tires will you be mixing these with?

Do you need snow traction?

Etcetera.

Any relevant info would be useful.
Old 04-20-2004 | 06:12 AM
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here's how I see it, if I'm getting 2 new tires, I'd put them on the front since they'd be fresh and have a less of a chance of popping or leaking. I steer with the front tires, so I'd like new one on there.
Old 04-20-2004 | 06:33 AM
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See the little essay I typed out above as to why that's a bad idea.



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