So I am the "buddy that was talking trash about his 1.8t" from the begining of this thread. I am hear to clear some things up. First of all many of you may be thinking about the 150hp 1.8t which I admit is not a quick car. Mine is an '02 GTI which is rated at 180 hp at the crank. Second, I am not here to tell you all that I am faster than an ITR. I am here to say that stock vs. stock it is defintley a drivers race with the edge to the ITR. You have the advantage in hp and weight but torque is an important stat as well. My GTI has 174 lbs/ft and the ITR only has 130 lbs/ft of torque. Hp sells cars, torque makes them go. If both cars were raced perfectly the ITR would win just barely. But watch out for '02 GTIs and up if you are stock.

 

I'd have to compare driving a Volkswagon to being a complete and total cock jockey, that's just my .02..........

 

Is there a valid reason for this post?

Personally, the newer GTIs are "quick". Not anywhere near as quick as a stock ITR though. At least, I run slower in a 2002.5 GTI 1.8T than in my pretty-much-stock GSR even. :shrug:

For a daily driver though, I do like the GTI. Now if only it wouldn't catch on fire cause of those damn coilpacks :P

 

Yeah what kind of response was that? Especially from someone who hasn't even driven a VW let alone a GTI!

The GTI is awsome as a daily driver and for surprising lot's of unsuspecting ricers who think a stock 1.8t has no balls. I'm going to get chipped at APR (www.goapr.com) this week. With the APR chip alone performance is boosted to 215 hp and 247 torque! That is a flashed ECU upgrade only! Thats more than enough power to screw with an ITR hands down! I know there are lot of forced induction haters out there as was I, however it is so easy to create power with simple mods on a turbo that you N/A guys will soon be left behind.

Gotta have some representation for the Vdubs in here with all this flaming trash talk with nothing too back it by!

 

APR's chip isn't bad, but I've been stranded because of it before (their soldering jobs suck ass). The car will make some nice power afterwards though despite the APR-common surging problems.

Only compare stock to stock and modified to modified. For very little money (assuming you already have a good driver) you can easily create a 13 second ITR, very very easily.

 

Actually APR flashes all the ECU programming now so there is no soldering and no installation, just flashed software. While I have not experienced all of the different chips, I have read that APR is the smoother and most drivable of the powerful chips (APR,GIAC,Upsolute).

I almost forgot, I had the coilpacks replaced at my last tuneup for free (recall) and there hasnt been a problem yet.

Should start a new thread for this but what kind of gains can your ITR see from the Hondata software? I know nothing about it.

 

I wasn't aware APR changed their method. We are currently sending the APR ECU back because they didn't put all the same programs on it but the one they did send back less than 2 months ago is still soldered but maybe they did that because it was soldered by them originally :shrug:

Personally, I like the GIAC ecu more.

Dealerships here will only replace the coilopacks if two or more have failed, per the recall. But that's a few months old too.. I don't keep up THAT much with VW stuff.

Have you had the brake switch fail yet? I'd suggest replacing that yourself unless you can schedule an appointment quick. No brakelights = bad and all local dealerships were setting up appointments for 2weeks or more in the future

As for the Hondata, that'll depend greatly on the tuner and of course what parts. The Hondata isn't a "chip", it's a standalone. All the features of a real standalone but requires a honda ecu for the board and case so I still can't find myself calling it a real standalone, even thought it's functionality is that of a full standalone. PFC, AEM EMS, Haltech, Wolf3D, etc can all be programmed to get the same gains since they are all standalones (although some Hondata people will say the PFC is just a air-flow convertor even though it's clearly not).

 

Dawhiteboy,
That "cock jockey" comment was for 1.8 turbonium. Just a joke, he's my roomate. As for making a Type R a 13 second car "real easy", what type of mods are we talking?

 

brock did it with an intake, s-03's and a good driver. maybe header too. I forget.

 

Steve (Smitdog) runs a 13.7 on I/H/E and decent rubber in his R. As for stock 1.8t vs. stock R, even the 180hp variant is about 1 sec. slower through the 1/4 mile, so I don't know how "close" that is. I'm not trying to knock on the VW crew or anything, they are fun cars (though not racecars by any means, but they were never intended to be).