Apples to oranges comparisons here. VW transmissions are fairly weak to begin with, especially the O2A's and regardless of what type of clutch will fail much sooner than a B-series honda transmission. The differential pin in the spider gears is notorious for falling out and allowing the spider gears to shred inside and then get launched out as a projectile leaving a nice hole in the tranny casing. The rivets holding the ring gear in too often loosen over time and fall out, with the same effect.

I had mine take a crap after 2500 miles. A couple drag strip runs and it was toast. Simply unbelievable for an almost new transmission which had been babied for over the first 1K miles.

And as trey mentioned, 3rd gear grind on these gearboxes is a pretty common problem. Many racers have experienced it and it's also pretty common for the street driven R's too.

I don't have experience with the GM Synchromesh, but I did try the BG Synchroshift II and would NOT recommend it. It may have helped hot shifting marginally, but cold shifting got considerably worse and I'm inclined to believe is one major cause of my current input shaft bearing failure.

You really can't go wrong with OEM Honda MTL and are taking a risk IMO with anything else.

Trey, you are very correct. My buddies eclipse is in the shop more than on the street. However, I do disagree with your thought on clutches not blowing tranny's. I blew 2 tranny's in my VW before I realized that the clutch I was using would clamp so harsh over stock that is was causing the tranny mounts to crack, and eventually lead to it blowing. Granted, the clutch wasn't what actually blew the tranny, but is was the main contributing factors..[/quote:41e91edae8]

 

Trey, you are very correct. My buddies eclipse is in the shop more than on the street. However, I do disagree with your thought on clutches not blowing tranny's. I blew 2 tranny's in my VW before I realized that the clutch I was using would clamp so harsh over stock that is was causing the tranny mounts to crack, and eventually lead to it blowing. Granted, the clutch wasn't what actually blew the tranny, but is was the main contributing factors..[/quote:8e946062c4]
That's what happened in a friend of mine's 1997 VR-4. He put in a 6-puck racing clutch and the transmission went bye bye rather quickly. I didn't realize Hondas were set up different

 

Of everyone I know with a 6 puck, no one has had problems.

Are these people you guiys speak up driving nice and smooth, or like fucktards?

 

No 6 pucks, just 4's and every one I know that has them runs on the street and hurts their cars. When my stock clutch starts to sag i'm thinking about an ACT street disk with a heavy duty pressure plate...

 

im grinding 3rd and 5th gear with honda mtl tranny fluid so is it more expensive for me to change the tranny or to open it up and fix 2 or 3 synchros?

 

alright first off some people on this site are just freaking dumb pricks that are too cocky and think they know everything, so that's just extremely annoying, but besides that i had the same problem i put a clutch master stage three in my itr, and now the third gear grinds only at high rpm's, i was told that it is because my old clutch was too weak to make it grab hard, i bought the car with a crappy stock clutch, but besides that syncros in honda tranny's straight suck, they're always going out, i work at honda, and man you won't believe how many tranny installs we do a week, i'm talking about 4 a week because of syncros, it's worse at acura, that's the price we pay for the car we choose, as for other people who are just too damn judgemental and don't know how to keep their mouth shut, GET A FREAKING CLUE AND SHUT UP!!!

 

type_r_556: who are you even talking about? If you're going to directly insult people at least let those who you are insulting know.

An example: "I think you are a fucktard type_r_556, like all other honda dealership mechanics." See, that was specific. And to clarify, I was making an example in the above post. Since I don't know what you know or don't know it was not a statement of fact or opinion, just an example of how to be more direct.

And yes, the syncros in honda trannies pretty much suck ass. Still, a smooth driver is FAR less likely to fuck up syncros with any clutch compared to a rough driver with the same clutch.

 

Far cheaper to fix the syncros.

 

And a Honda tranny is IMO FAR better than a Subaru tranny. I will take a small Synchro grind.

So who are you talking to exactly, type_r_556? And do you knwo the people well enough to know they truly don't knwo what they are talking about? (I assume you are referring to myself or dawhiteboy . . .am I wrong?)

 

that was my guess too. I noticed he said his dealership always has trannies in there being taken apart.. I wonder how many HE has taken apart. :roll:

I mean, sure I've never even seen the inside of one... but still.. :lol: :shock: :roll: