I'm sorry, but you are flat out wrong...

No doubt that you may have done this before in a Honda, but this is NOT what the door panel on a 00 Civic Coupe looks like. There is no black plastic housing that is separate from the door panel that unscrews....If you really want, I'll take photos, but I have more important things to do with my time.

The mounting surface on a 00 si has a hard time fitting an oversized 6.5" driver (also called a 7 or 6.5S driver) They just don't fit, there is not enough area. On a 96-00 door panel, the driver mounts to the plastic door panel, and the panel mounts to the metal door.

This may work on a 92-95 because I have done a similar install on such a car....this may be the car you are speaking of....there may be some variation of a 96-00 door panel that I have not heard of, but you are not talking about a 00 Si!!! You are wrong.

The hole in the door designed to house the speaker (in the acutal metal) is SMALLER in diameter then the magnet, and there is no way to get an 8" in there without SERIOUS modifications. I wish 8"s fit in there...if they did, guess what, I would have them, but I don't!!

I'm a mechanical engineer, with out serious cutting, there is NO WAY to get an IDQ6 or a CX6 (same basket same magnet - I've owned both) into the doors of a 00 Si.....Check your years again, check the doors again, and you will find that I'm right. I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest with you, it's my job to think outside of the box...it can not be done.

 

I don't doubt that you have tried. But seeing that I've builded, designed and sold car audio systems for going on 5 years I have a clue about what I'm talking about. In fact I personally know the guy that ownes ID a Mr. Eric Stevens, very nice guy I might add. I've talked with him before about products and installs. In fact I was the guy at the shop I work at that was trying to get ID in there. So look I've been around the car audio a lot more then you I'm willing to bet. I've seen just about everything done and I know what can be done. I know how big the magnet is on the speaker in question. There is not a 6 1/2 on the market with a magnet do big to fit in that opening, because there is no need for a 6 1/2 with have big of a magnet. Now your an engineer you should know that, if you don't would you want someone with an engineering degree to tell you why there is no need for that? I'll be happy to, I mean if you don't know how a speaker works I'll be happy to break that down for you, Mr. Engineer. Now just because you are an engineer don't try to tell me I can't do something that I've done personally. You know I started out just trying to help you out but if you say it can't be done hey it can't be done, right? You know I've never gone to school to be an engineer before but do they teach you how to use a Drimmel tool there? If they didn't go take a class at Home Depot about it.

Don't ever tell someone thats been in car audio that something can't be done when I already pointed out that it can and I've done it.

Also get your car years right all 96-00 Civics have the same doors.

 

You've been building audio systems for 5 years, and you assume that you've been in this game longer then me...that's really not that much time. Yes, Eric and Matt at ID are nice people, I have spoke to both over the telephone...unfortunately I am in NorCal, so I have not gotten down to Gardena yet...when I get my system installed (by myself) I will be traveling down there to get it tuned by Matt.

Sarcasm on this board is fine...you are bordering on flaming...I won't have these actions on my board. I'm biting my tounge to not stoop to your levels...that said...I'll continue.

Same comments as above apply here. I don't think that I have to post my credentials here, but I was simply stating that I am not a moron....keep reading....

Actually, if you knew what you were talking about you would know that coupes and sedans have different door panels.....

Again, instead of flaming me, show me your mythical back housings, and holes in the door of a 96-00 civic that are large enough for an 8" driver...

Unless my car is somewhat unique...you can't!!

There's the challenge...If you can show me an IDQ/CX 6 in the door of a 96-00 coupe without some serious cutting (and we are not talking about rain guards here), with a stock appearace, I would be absolutely shocked. If you can produce, then guess what, I'll retract everything that I have said and will apologize for it. My ego isn't too large, is yours?

Come up with the proof.....

 

Once again, I'm going to clarify my point. If you take off the door panel on a 96-00 civic, you have already removed the speaker!!!! The speaker is gone!! There is no housing to hold the speaker...the doorpanel does.

There is no set of 4 screws on any door on any Civic...I'm looking at the helms manual right now, and I can disassemble my door in my sleep. There are 3 scres that hold the mounting area for the driver on a 96-00 Civic coupe door. Not 4, and there is no hole that is ready to accept an 8" driver....

Provide some type of proof...until then I just can't believe a word you are saying....

I'm not trying to say that I know more then you about car audio, but I do feel that you are inaccurate about the Civic's door panels.

 

So are you saying that you have the only Si Sedan ever made?

Because as far as I know all Si are couples. But hey if you have a Sedan post up a post because I want to see it.

Since I know that Honda never made the Si in a Sedan I was talking about the couple. Yeah I know the doors are different beween the couples and the sedan but because a sedan was never brough up, I was not talking about the Sedan.

Okay easy enough. Tell you want after I do this, why don't you drive on out to Kansas City and I'll give ya a freebie install for saying that you are wrong here.

Hey I would use sarcasm if you wouldn't have said I'm a engineer and it can't be done. Look I have no doubt that you are a smart guy but I'm not going to tell you that you can't do and you know that you can. So please don't use I'm an engineer as a way to tell someone it can't be done, I'm not going to say oh he is an engineer so he's right.

 

sorry you made the post that all 96-00 door panels are the same...I'm just saying that coupe (not couple) front door panels are different from those in sedans.

I don't think that I have to travel to Kansas...a few simple photos would do....show me the install, no major cutting, stock grille on there, with the steps involed - like I said, I don't think it's possible....

You said you can do it, I'm just asking for proof.

I'm not using the fact that I'm an engineer to prove that it can't be done....I'm using my eduaction, experience and common sense to make the evaluation that without some serious modifications, you can't get that driver properly installed in that door.

I can think of plenty of ways to get it in there...but if you refer back to my original post, I like to maintain the option of getting my car back to stock appearance if necessary

I'm asking you to prove me wrong...hell, I like learning something new. I'm not trying to be a dick here...I just don't think it can be done....I always challenge someone who tells me different...I don't roll over and change my opinion because someone else with 5 years experience tells me other wise.

Again, show me the driver in the door, show me the hole for the 8", show me the black housing held in by 4 screws.....a few photos should clear all of this up really quickly (check your helms manual and you will see no such housing exists...you could just pry off the grill and get the same results).

No reason for me to fly or put unnecessary miles on my car....

 

I'm sorry I have to ask, how did you became a Mod for this forum? I hope that you know more about products and hooking things up then you do about installing. Or do you know one of the Admin personally?

As I said in another post I post pictures and show you is can be done. :thumbup:

 

Because I have been installing systems for over 8 years now, and I do know what I am talking about. You are rather new to the forum, so please refrain from making judgements about my knowledge until you spend some time here.

If you must know, I was approached by the current moderator and asked to become a part of the staff here. I was invited to help them out.

It would be hard to find a post on this board made by me that is inaccurate....you may be able to argue with my opinions, but I pride myself in offering rather accurate and unbiased help on this board.

The proof is in the pudding....I said it once and I will say it again, if you can prove me wrong, then do it. Until then, let's leave this guys post alone and get back on topic. Start a new post, and if you can prove it I will apologize.....it's that simple.

I'm not hard-headed enough to assume that I know everything about audio....even the best guys out there continue to learn. Teach me something new, and I will be appreciative.

 

Whoa...and you're a moderator? Whew. Ok I won't flame but I will say this. The speakers in a 00 SI are IDENTICAL to any and allllllllll other coupes 96-00. An SI is nothing special when it comes to audio. Not only does buckman have a 97 ex but yes he's worked in a shop for quite some time. I have been a hobbiest of car audio for over 12 years, worked in the industry for over 4 years and have been building, tuning, tweeking, touching, fondling, and molesting competition cars for over 8 years now. I have a decent background in Car Audio so I do have the knowledge here. Plus, I am Co-Founder of a Civic website and had a 97 civic. So, obviously having the background in car audio and being a civic fanatic, I think I'm MORE than certified in this subject here. Now there's a plastic cup looking thing called a rain guard. It guards the speaker from......yup you guessed it. RAIN! Now this is very shallow because it's designed to guard the OEM Pioneer speakers. Now very few aftermarket speakers will fit in this therefore you need to cut out the back to make 90+% of the speakers out there fit. Once you remove this panel, you can fit any speaker out there fit. The opening alone is bigger than 6.5". Now if you can find a reason why a company would put a bigger magnet on a speaker than it's mounting diameter, I would LOVE to hear this. So, with that plastic rain guard (explained earlier) gone, you have room to put (drum roll please) bigger speakers! YAY! Now, to fit an oversized 6.5" speaker, you will need to make a small MDF panel to secure it to the door, not to mention give you the depth of the speaker. And as long as you're not using anything bigger than a 1" spacer, the speaker will have enough room to clear the door panel. Now throw a little fibreglass or dynomat on there to help cut down the resonance and you've got a good sounding midrange/bass in your door. Now if THAT confused you, you need to take yourself out back and give yourself the "Old Yeller" treatment. Have a great day. :naughty:

 

Hmmmm.....lets see here:


You said:
I said:
Where did I say anything about you coming out here just for the install. I said that after I post the picture you could come out here and I'll do the install of free for you saying that you are wrong.

Okay point taken...But tell me any where in this post we were talking about a Sedan. You said you have an Si. All Sis are coupes, I know that so why would be be talking about a Sedan? Does that make any since?

You'll get you proof soon enough, I just can't get the pictures here at work.