tweets in dash?
11-08-2002 | 04:19 PM
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tweets in dash?
I have a 94 Accord LX and it has the vents on the top of the dash, I was wondering if anyone has installed aftermarket tweeters in there? I was thinking about doing that cause I don't want your everyday thief walking by and seeing the tweeter from my component set and get any ideas, feel me? So what I want to do is mount the midbass driver in the stock location, and put the tweeter in under those grills on the dash, will this setup be alright? It will definitely give me the stealth appearance I want, but will it sound right? Anyone done it?
11-08-2002 | 04:40 PM
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the 6th gens have them in the dash stock, the imaging is utterly foul, if you want it to sound good make some kick panels or mount them so both are aimed so the imaginary line from the tweeters crosses in the middle of your head.
11-08-2002 | 05:06 PM
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not only the 6th gens have them i know that all ex's have them at least from 94. it doesnt sound that great in that location becasue of the imaging. i would consider putting them in the door panel down low where the speakers are that way they will have better imaging also will be slightly out of view since it lower
11-08-2002 | 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by phat99accord
not only the 6th gens have them i know that all ex's have them at least from 94. it doesnt sound that great in that location becasue of the imaging. i would consider putting them in the door panel down low where the speakers are that way they will have better imaging also will be slightly out of view since it lower
not only the 6th gens have them i know that all ex's have them at least from 94. it doesnt sound that great in that location becasue of the imaging. i would consider putting them in the door panel down low where the speakers are that way they will have better imaging also will be slightly out of view since it lower
11-08-2002 | 05:13 PM
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hmm imaging... you close your eyes, and can see the sound stage, you can see the bass off on the left, the drummer in the back of the stage, the vocals in your face, and the lead guitar off to the right.
here's something I found
here's something I found
What is it ?
Basically it is the direction that the sound appears to be coming from on the imaginary stage in front of you, (left, left centre, centre, right centre, right) it also includes the depth and width of the sound to give an impression of distance.
How do i get it to image ?
That is the hard part, there are so many things that can effect the way a vehicle will image,the main aspect is the speaker placement, how far away they are, if they are angled towards the listening position, if there are any objects between the speaker and the listening position and the quality of the speakers used.
One of the first things to do is to try and place the speakers as far forward as possible in the front of the vehicle making sure that they dont interfear with any controls, this is always a good starting point as it can make a lot of difference to the final outcome, try to have an angle on the speakers, as this can also improve the imaging by reducing phasing problems, if the speakers being used have a separate tweeter then this should be placed as close as possible to the mid/woofer, some people place the tweeter in a higher location to raise the image but if the stagging is correct this technique is not as effective.
The tweeter should be angled towards the listening position to make the sound co-exist more with the mid/woofer.
Another important factor is the amount of rear fill, if there is too much then you will never get it to image, because the sound is being wiped out by the back speakers !
Make sure that the subs aren't too loud by turning them down so that you dont notice them, then while listening for the image turn them off, you should notice the difference, this means that it is close to being correct
If you are really keen you could try adding a centre channel, this works a treat if you have an image but it is too wide or it moves drasticaly when you move your head a little bit
Finally if you have tried to do all of this and it still won't image, go out and buy a time alignment processor, because as long as you have tried all of the tricks that i just mentioned and nothing worked this may be your only option.
Basically it is the direction that the sound appears to be coming from on the imaginary stage in front of you, (left, left centre, centre, right centre, right) it also includes the depth and width of the sound to give an impression of distance.
How do i get it to image ?
That is the hard part, there are so many things that can effect the way a vehicle will image,the main aspect is the speaker placement, how far away they are, if they are angled towards the listening position, if there are any objects between the speaker and the listening position and the quality of the speakers used.
One of the first things to do is to try and place the speakers as far forward as possible in the front of the vehicle making sure that they dont interfear with any controls, this is always a good starting point as it can make a lot of difference to the final outcome, try to have an angle on the speakers, as this can also improve the imaging by reducing phasing problems, if the speakers being used have a separate tweeter then this should be placed as close as possible to the mid/woofer, some people place the tweeter in a higher location to raise the image but if the stagging is correct this technique is not as effective.
The tweeter should be angled towards the listening position to make the sound co-exist more with the mid/woofer.
Another important factor is the amount of rear fill, if there is too much then you will never get it to image, because the sound is being wiped out by the back speakers !
Make sure that the subs aren't too loud by turning them down so that you dont notice them, then while listening for the image turn them off, you should notice the difference, this means that it is close to being correct
If you are really keen you could try adding a centre channel, this works a treat if you have an image but it is too wide or it moves drasticaly when you move your head a little bit
Finally if you have tried to do all of this and it still won't image, go out and buy a time alignment processor, because as long as you have tried all of the tricks that i just mentioned and nothing worked this may be your only option.
11-08-2002 | 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by illusion
hmm imaging... you close your eyes, and can see the sound stage, you can see the bass off on the left, the drummer in the back of the stage, the vocals in your face, and the lead guitar off to the right.
here's something I found
hmm imaging... you close your eyes, and can see the sound stage, you can see the bass off on the left, the drummer in the back of the stage, the vocals in your face, and the lead guitar off to the right.
here's something I found
11-09-2002 | 02:49 AM
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i installed two pairs of chrome trimmed Audiobahn AT67 tweeters (quite the beauty) in the top of the door between the door handle and the outermost dash vent (to the left of the instrument panel on the driver side; right of glove box on passenger side).
sounds good as hell from there--screams at you just like I like it. but yes, it IS in plain view AND i've already had one break-in.
but yes, in the dash my '97 EX had stock tweets. they were mounted to the speaker cover and just slid into place up there. I suppose if you had a small enought tweeter, you could just go to a junk yard and pop those speaker covers out the front dash. I believe the speaker covers were a tad bit to the outside of the vents you're referring to.
how you gonna wire tweets into the dash if stock wiring isn't already available
sounds good as hell from there--screams at you just like I like it. but yes, it IS in plain view AND i've already had one break-in.
but yes, in the dash my '97 EX had stock tweets. they were mounted to the speaker cover and just slid into place up there. I suppose if you had a small enought tweeter, you could just go to a junk yard and pop those speaker covers out the front dash. I believe the speaker covers were a tad bit to the outside of the vents you're referring to.
how you gonna wire tweets into the dash if stock wiring isn't already available
11-09-2002 | 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by phat99accord
just put them close to the woofers that way the distance between the left and right sides are as equal as possible that way youll get the best sound basically w/o the technical bullsh*t
just put them close to the woofers that way the distance between the left and right sides are as equal as possible that way youll get the best sound basically w/o the technical bullsh*t
11-09-2002 | 01:32 PM
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hey wats up. i have pioneed component speakers in my can. they are installed ina place that they belong. in the begining i also thought of hiding them but than i thought about it u really have to be low life to steal speakers from someone and after all you cant really see them that much so dont worry.