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Old 08-01-2005 | 12:13 PM
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If the catalytic converter goes, how will I know? I think mine went out today, because it felt like the tranny just wouldn't shift... I'm assuming that it's the 6gen Accord I4, tranny problem that we all have experienced...
Old 08-01-2005 | 12:21 PM
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You'll get error codes, smell sulfur and lose gas mileage. You won't notice any difference in power. So you're way off
Old 08-01-2005 | 05:22 PM
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tap the cat with something, see if you hear any noise
Old 08-02-2005 | 07:57 AM
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Actually you should see an increase n hp/tq not a lot but some. The cat restricts flow. So if the honeycombs are gone it will be less restrictive. You may not get an error unless your car has an o2 sensor after the cat. If that is the case then you may see some drop off in power because the sensor is readings will be off and interfere with air/ fuel mixture which the ecm uses to the readings from the o2 sensors to set.

try this.

find the 02 sensor after the cat if there is one. if not then find the one before the cat. remove it form the exhaust gently if possibly try not to bang it. Get an empty 20 ounce soda bottle. Put the sensor in the bottle and tuck the bottle up in to the chassis somewhere and secure it with a zip tie. plug the whole in the exhaust with the appropriate sized bolt.

This modification will trick the ecm in to believing the exhaust is always putting out fresh air and will increase the amount of fuel.

1 this is probably not legal on road and should be used for off road use only like at the track

2 secondly your mpg will go down

3 you will see an increase in hp at wot because you have richened th air/fuel mixture. this set up is great with turbo/superchargers CAI and a good cat back exhaust or headers. this is not meant for a daily driver.


now back to your original question. if the cat is bad and you have a sensor after the cat yes you will see a decrease in performance and possibly mpg.

if you don't have one after then I would say you might have a bad o2 sensor but you should be getting some sort of a code. if you are getting a code the chances are it is something that might not direct you toward the 02 sensor but like emissions or plug misfiring or Something like that. but check the 02 sensor first they are much cheaper than a cat and easier to replace.

what are the symptoms the car has been showing?

that will greatly help in the diagnosis.

the issue you mentioned with the tranny is more likely the engine running crappy if the 02 sensor is bad or the cat is bad. these 2 items really dont directly affect the tranny but may affect performance which might appear to be the tranny. If the tranny is bad then you have a different problem than the cat.

I hope this helps. post all the sysmptoms maybe we can help


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Old 08-02-2005 | 08:01 AM
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or do this, which is a little easier than mounting a soda bottle.

Originally Posted by notoriousB
yup, we did this for a grand total of $3.99+tax i believe!

get this "help" part at your local parts store: 18mm defouler - comes in a pack of 2

here's the package and the two defoulers screwed together


i drilled out the bottom of one with a 1/2 inch drill bit - go slow, use lots of oil, it's thick

i don't have any pictures of the one drilled out alone, but here's two pics of the final product, one from the bottom one from the top. in the second pic you can see how it was drilled. the drilliing is done to be able to fit the o2 sensor thru the 1st defouler.





final product all installed, and skabone confirms "it works!!"



had to persuade the heatshield slightly to clear the new longer o2 sensor but that's no problem.
Old 08-02-2005 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by hondarocket
Actually you should see an increase n hp/tq not a lot but some. The cat restricts flow. So if the honeycombs are gone it will be less restrictive.
...and also reduce backpressure, most likely resulting in an overall loss of power.
Old 08-02-2005 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by hondarocket
Actually you should see an increase n hp/tq not a lot but some. The cat restricts flow. So if the honeycombs are gone it will be less restrictive. You may not get an error unless your car has an o2 sensor after the cat. If that is the case then you may see some drop off in power because the sensor is readings will be off and interfere with air/ fuel mixture which the ecm uses to the readings from the o2 sensors to set.

try this.

find the 02 sensor after the cat if there is one. if not then find the one before the cat. remove it form the exhaust gently if possibly try not to bang it. Get an empty 20 ounce soda bottle. Put the sensor in the bottle and tuck the bottle up in to the chassis somewhere and secure it with a zip tie. plug the whole in the exhaust with the appropriate sized bolt.

This modification will trick the ecm in to believing the exhaust is always putting out fresh air and will increase the amount of fuel.

1 this is probably not legal on road and should be used for off road use only like at the track

2 secondly your mpg will go down

3 you will see an increase in hp at wot because you have richened th air/fuel mixture. this set up is great with turbo/superchargers CAI and a good cat back exhaust or headers. this is not meant for a daily driver.


now back to your original question. if the cat is bad and you have a sensor after the cat yes you will see a decrease in performance and possibly mpg.

if you don't have one after then I would say you might have a bad o2 sensor but you should be getting some sort of a code. if you are getting a code the chances are it is something that might not direct you toward the 02 sensor but like emissions or plug misfiring or Something like that. but check the 02 sensor first they are much cheaper than a cat and easier to replace.

what are the symptoms the car has been showing?

that will greatly help in the diagnosis.

the issue you mentioned with the tranny is more likely the engine running crappy if the 02 sensor is bad or the cat is bad. these 2 items really dont directly affect the tranny but may affect performance which might appear to be the tranny. If the tranny is bad then you have a different problem than the cat.

I hope this helps. post all the sysmptoms maybe we can help


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I think this guy needs to put down the honda tuner magazine and pick up a service manual. I wonder if this guy can spell his own name or if he needs help...
Old 08-02-2005 | 06:10 PM
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Well guys, it was the cat. The dealer repalced it for FREE for me. Iwsa told the it was clogged, that is why I could not go faster than 40MPH.
Thanks for all of you input as well as advice...
Old 08-02-2005 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ohhonda98
Well guys, it was the cat. The dealer repalced it for FREE for me. Iwsa told the it was clogged, that is why I could not go faster than 40MPH.
Thanks for all of you input as well as advice...
Then you need to explain your symptoms better next time because that was totally different from what you said before But glad to hear it worked out. I don't understand why you didn't get a CEL.
Old 08-03-2005 | 01:56 PM
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It was probably an OBD1 car so it didn't set the MIL light.



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