heh, I just get annoyed when people automatically tell me to get TEIN SS without thinking why I'm willing to spend $200 more for the koni+GC combo (I'm not doing it because they're "coilovers," it's because they handle much better at the track)

 

You didnt say Teins are inferior, you said the ride quality of springs is superior. Without trying out a set yourself whatare you basing that on??

Whats a Damper kit??? And what do you mean by buying a damper kit instead of a good shock?

Teins coilovers are a complete coilover setup that comes with the spring and good shocks already for $850 as I already posted. The Dampening ability is an inherent feature of the shocks that Tein uses. There is no additional Damper kit.

Koni's which are good shocks, has the same design in their shocks as well without any additional Damper kit. For the Teins or Koni's. Each shock is adjusted at the top just like the Konis by hand.

$850 vs ~ $750 for Koni Adjustable shocks and Neuspeed Sports or whatever springs you want to, and the difference will be barely $100, and if ride quality is a concern, the Teins beat those setups hands down.

The EDFC which I bought for an extra $350 just allows me to adjust all 4 shocks from my drivers seat, on the fly. It has 3 memory settings, and depending on road conditions I can set it to soft, hard or inbetween at the touch of a button from my seat without even stopping the car, let alone popping the hood etc. Its a nice toy thats not needed. I had my Teins for over a year before installing the EDFC recently, and used to spend the 5 minutes to adjust all 4 corners by hand, I just wanted the ability to adjust them on the fly without stopping based on road conditions, and I was itching for a new toy, sop I bought and installed this.

Thanx for the clarification, but he wanted an opinion on Bomz sleeve type coilovers, and his post was more concerend about performance than anything else. He asked if they were for show, not price. If he didnt say anything about price, why should I assume anything, and how can you know exactly what he wanted?

As far as this being a thread on coilovers, Thanx again for steering me in the right directon, but thats what Teins are; coilovers.

Teins are the definition of what real coilovers are, a spring and shock unit designed and sold together as a single unit. They just have the ability to adust dampening as well.

Konis adjustables do the same thing, and they are still shocks, not in some special shocks with a damper kit category.

Sleeve type coilovers like Bomz are just cheap sleeve systems that are geared to cheaply raise & lower your car, handling is an afterthought. He asked if they were recommended for show only, and his answer is yes.

 

I agree 100%, if you are tracking your car all the time, the Teins are not for you. Great handling, and Track handling are totally different things.

At the same time though, ride quality for a track car vs a daily driver are 2 separate things as well.

I spent alot of $$$ of shock & spring combos on my various cars, and just want people to know that for a slight premium, the Teins are a great value for the money, and a very good compromise/balance for perfomance, ride quality, and price.

I wish I had installed them off the bat instead of going with some spring/shock combos I had because I wasted alot of money trying to find a good balance.

 

yep. I hope the ride comfort won't be too bad with 450F/400R springs. A friend of mine had 400F/450R in his civic, and he felt the ride was bearable, but a bit harsh on bad roads. That was in a 2500lb civic, instead of a 3100 lb Accord

 

Hopefully they wont be too bad for you, but I live in NYC, and unfortunately road conditions in NY,and road conditions in other areas are 2 separate things as well.

Just ask my 3 bent 19 inch rims, and my one bent shock!!!!!!! :doh:

 

ouch! does anyone know what the spring rates for the TEIN SS actually are?

 

looks like it's 336lbs/in in the front, and 280 lbs in the rear for the TEIN SS coilovers. The stock springs are roughly 210F/190R. The off the shelf GCs are 450F/300R (understeering IMO), and the custom rate I'm going for is 450F/400R...

 

Couldnt find the stats in lbs, but the stock spring rate is 7kg/f in the front and 5kg/f in the rear. Tein also has upgarded springs that are 9kg/f in the front, and 6kg/f in the rear. Anything more than that, and you'd need to revalve the shocks which is something they do as well.

If you order direct, and request the upgraded springs, you can get them at no additional cost, and since they have a USA division now, if you blow a shock, they can repair it in house in LA.

Oh yeah for even stiffer coilovers check out Nex, and Zeal, butbe prepared to spend even more $$$,and to have a bone jarring ride.

 

I thought a damper kit is:
4x adjustable shock absorber
4x main spring
4x lower spring seat
4x seat lock
4x thrust washer

But just four adjustable shocks could be considered a damper kit to, no.

The fact that I'm confusing you must mean that I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I thought you recommended a whole "Tein suspension" as compared to just getting some good shocks, that's all, end of story.

I agree with everything you have stated in this post, so I'll do myself a favor and shut my mouth. I can tell you know a hell of alot more when it comes to suspensions than I do to.

I guess I'll never say springs have better ride quality again.

But by me quoting you, it has made this a pretty good thread.

 

actually I was wrong! 336F/280R is the spring rate for the off-the-shelf TEIN SS for 94-97 Accords :doh:

The spring rate for the regular TEIN SS for the 98-02 Accords is 392F/228R (7kgf/mm F, 4kgf/mm R).

that's not the sotck spring rate is it? It's sounds awfully close to the TEIN SS spring rate?

lol, that would be like 503F/336R. I'd prefer to have less of a difference between front and back, like 450F/400R. I would actually prefer 400F/400R, but they guy at GC insisted that the front would bottom out easily (or hit the bumpstops) if I went anything lower than 400 front...