Turbo vs. Supercharger (Discuss and Brag)
08-22-2003 | 08:14 AM
#21
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spool up time on a turbo depends on how big it is. the bigger the turbo the longer the spool up time.
putting a huge turbo on a dinky 4 banger mean you may not be able to get it spooled up till like 5000.....
putting a huge turbo on a dinky 4 banger mean you may not be able to get it spooled up till like 5000.....
08-22-2003 | 08:56 PM
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Myself, unlike very many, like the supercharger better. For one, it's a simpler setup. Also, in my opinon, alot safer too. The reason being, your just throwing more air into the chamber, rather than using expelled hot air to get power. As far as reliability, it all depends on how well the setup is done and taken care of. With a supercharger, initial setup is very easy and it would be hard to do something wrong. (Just remember to add a FPR so you don't detonate the head). With a turbo, not only are there so many parts, but you have to tune it out in many different aspects for it to run proper. Plus, there are some added "care" bonuses that tag along with turbo (as far as reliability and longevity goes). For example, it would be smart to let the engine idle for a couple minutes before turning off the motor so you dont get dry spin (no oil being sprayed on turbine). Also, with turbos oil changes are recommended alot more often than stock.
As far as power:
Turbo = hella more hp/tq for the sheer fact that you can keep adding psi. I suggest running no higher than 7 psi on a stock motor. Anything higher will put more stress on the motor than isn't necessary. So, if you go turbo for hp/tq, the output will be roughly the same if running comparable psi to the supercharger. If you are looking for mad power like some turbo equiped imprts have, expect to spend hella money for internals just so you can crank that psi up a couple points.
Supercharger = As said previously, the output would generally be the same as a turbo, give or take 10hp. Plus, the supercharger is ON-TAP. That means as soon as you give the system some gas, its already forcing massive air into the combustion chamber. True, it runs off a pulley system, but that is it (besides the supercharger and belt). No need for worrying about cooling system, overheating, or drilling (creating) oil feeds.
In the end, if you are willing to spend a bundle on an FI system, and have good tuning skills or are taking it to a shop that has precise tuning skills, I would highly recommend a turbo. Also, you must be willing to deal with those extra bonuses we discussed. One last thing, with a turbo you have the option of selecting a turbo size which means you can get incredible power in low rpms (spooled by 1500rpm) go midsize and have turbo power midrange, or sacrifice your bottom end for that blistering top end turbo power.
If you want a FI system that is incredibly reliable and will last you a very long time with practically no extra maintenance needed than supercharger is the way to go. Great for street (stop light to stoplight) racing. Easily installable by yourself with basic tools and an instruction manual.
It just depends on what your goals are and what your willing to do or pay for them.
Ugh
As far as power:
Turbo = hella more hp/tq for the sheer fact that you can keep adding psi. I suggest running no higher than 7 psi on a stock motor. Anything higher will put more stress on the motor than isn't necessary. So, if you go turbo for hp/tq, the output will be roughly the same if running comparable psi to the supercharger. If you are looking for mad power like some turbo equiped imprts have, expect to spend hella money for internals just so you can crank that psi up a couple points.
Supercharger = As said previously, the output would generally be the same as a turbo, give or take 10hp. Plus, the supercharger is ON-TAP. That means as soon as you give the system some gas, its already forcing massive air into the combustion chamber. True, it runs off a pulley system, but that is it (besides the supercharger and belt). No need for worrying about cooling system, overheating, or drilling (creating) oil feeds.
In the end, if you are willing to spend a bundle on an FI system, and have good tuning skills or are taking it to a shop that has precise tuning skills, I would highly recommend a turbo. Also, you must be willing to deal with those extra bonuses we discussed. One last thing, with a turbo you have the option of selecting a turbo size which means you can get incredible power in low rpms (spooled by 1500rpm) go midsize and have turbo power midrange, or sacrifice your bottom end for that blistering top end turbo power.
If you want a FI system that is incredibly reliable and will last you a very long time with practically no extra maintenance needed than supercharger is the way to go. Great for street (stop light to stoplight) racing. Easily installable by yourself with basic tools and an instruction manual.
It just depends on what your goals are and what your willing to do or pay for them.
Ugh
08-23-2003 | 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by undrgrndhaqer
Myself, unlike very many, like the supercharger better. For one, it's a simpler setup. Also, in my opinon, alot safer too. The reason being, your just throwing more air into the chamber, rather than using expelled hot air to get power. As far as reliability, it all depends on how well the setup is done and taken care of. With a supercharger, initial setup is very easy and it would be hard to do something wrong. (Just remember to add a FPR so you don't detonate the head). With a turbo, not only are there so many parts, but you have to tune it out in many different aspects for it to run proper. Plus, there are some added "care" bonuses that tag along with turbo (as far as reliability and longevity goes). For example, it would be smart to let the engine idle for a couple minutes before turning off the motor so you dont get dry spin (no oil being sprayed on turbine). Also, with turbos oil changes are recommended alot more often than stock.
As far as power:
Turbo = hella more hp/tq for the sheer fact that you can keep adding psi. I suggest running no higher than 7 psi on a stock motor. Anything higher will put more stress on the motor than isn't necessary. So, if you go turbo for hp/tq, the output will be roughly the same if running comparable psi to the supercharger. If you are looking for mad power like some turbo equiped imprts have, expect to spend hella money for internals just so you can crank that psi up a couple points.
Supercharger = As said previously, the output would generally be the same as a turbo, give or take 10hp. Plus, the supercharger is ON-TAP. That means as soon as you give the system some gas, its already forcing massive air into the combustion chamber. True, it runs off a pulley system, but that is it (besides the supercharger and belt). No need for worrying about cooling system, overheating, or drilling (creating) oil feeds.
In the end, if you are willing to spend a bundle on an FI system, and have good tuning skills or are taking it to a shop that has precise tuning skills, I would highly recommend a turbo. Also, you must be willing to deal with those extra bonuses we discussed. One last thing, with a turbo you have the option of selecting a turbo size which means you can get incredible power in low rpms (spooled by 1500rpm) go midsize and have turbo power midrange, or sacrifice your bottom end for that blistering top end turbo power.
If you want a FI system that is incredibly reliable and will last you a very long time with practically no extra maintenance needed than supercharger is the way to go. Great for street (stop light to stoplight) racing. Easily installable by yourself with basic tools and an instruction manual.
It just depends on what your goals are and what your willing to do or pay for them.
Ugh
Myself, unlike very many, like the supercharger better. For one, it's a simpler setup. Also, in my opinon, alot safer too. The reason being, your just throwing more air into the chamber, rather than using expelled hot air to get power. As far as reliability, it all depends on how well the setup is done and taken care of. With a supercharger, initial setup is very easy and it would be hard to do something wrong. (Just remember to add a FPR so you don't detonate the head). With a turbo, not only are there so many parts, but you have to tune it out in many different aspects for it to run proper. Plus, there are some added "care" bonuses that tag along with turbo (as far as reliability and longevity goes). For example, it would be smart to let the engine idle for a couple minutes before turning off the motor so you dont get dry spin (no oil being sprayed on turbine). Also, with turbos oil changes are recommended alot more often than stock.
As far as power:
Turbo = hella more hp/tq for the sheer fact that you can keep adding psi. I suggest running no higher than 7 psi on a stock motor. Anything higher will put more stress on the motor than isn't necessary. So, if you go turbo for hp/tq, the output will be roughly the same if running comparable psi to the supercharger. If you are looking for mad power like some turbo equiped imprts have, expect to spend hella money for internals just so you can crank that psi up a couple points.
Supercharger = As said previously, the output would generally be the same as a turbo, give or take 10hp. Plus, the supercharger is ON-TAP. That means as soon as you give the system some gas, its already forcing massive air into the combustion chamber. True, it runs off a pulley system, but that is it (besides the supercharger and belt). No need for worrying about cooling system, overheating, or drilling (creating) oil feeds.
In the end, if you are willing to spend a bundle on an FI system, and have good tuning skills or are taking it to a shop that has precise tuning skills, I would highly recommend a turbo. Also, you must be willing to deal with those extra bonuses we discussed. One last thing, with a turbo you have the option of selecting a turbo size which means you can get incredible power in low rpms (spooled by 1500rpm) go midsize and have turbo power midrange, or sacrifice your bottom end for that blistering top end turbo power.
If you want a FI system that is incredibly reliable and will last you a very long time with practically no extra maintenance needed than supercharger is the way to go. Great for street (stop light to stoplight) racing. Easily installable by yourself with basic tools and an instruction manual.
It just depends on what your goals are and what your willing to do or pay for them.
Ugh
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08-23-2003 | 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by undrgrndhaqer
Myself, unlike very many, like the supercharger better. For one, it's a simpler setup. Also, in my opinon, alot safer too. The reason being, your just throwing more air into the chamber, rather than using expelled hot air to get power. As far as reliability, it all depends on how well the setup is done and taken care of. With a supercharger, initial setup is very easy and it would be hard to do something wrong. (Just remember to add a FPR so you don't detonate the head). With a turbo, not only are there so many parts, but you have to tune it out in many different aspects for it to run proper. Plus, there are some added "care" bonuses that tag along with turbo (as far as reliability and longevity goes). For example, it would be smart to let the engine idle for a couple minutes before turning off the motor so you dont get dry spin (no oil being sprayed on turbine). Also, with turbos oil changes are recommended alot more often than stock.
As far as power:
Turbo = hella more hp/tq for the sheer fact that you can keep adding psi. I suggest running no higher than 7 psi on a stock motor. Anything higher will put more stress on the motor than isn't necessary. So, if you go turbo for hp/tq, the output will be roughly the same if running comparable psi to the supercharger. If you are looking for mad power like some turbo equiped imprts have, expect to spend hella money for internals just so you can crank that psi up a couple points.
Supercharger = As said previously, the output would generally be the same as a turbo, give or take 10hp. Plus, the supercharger is ON-TAP. That means as soon as you give the system some gas, its already forcing massive air into the combustion chamber. True, it runs off a pulley system, but that is it (besides the supercharger and belt). No need for worrying about cooling system, overheating, or drilling (creating) oil feeds.
In the end, if you are willing to spend a bundle on an FI system, and have good tuning skills or are taking it to a shop that has precise tuning skills, I would highly recommend a turbo. Also, you must be willing to deal with those extra bonuses we discussed. One last thing, with a turbo you have the option of selecting a turbo size which means you can get incredible power in low rpms (spooled by 1500rpm) go midsize and have turbo power midrange, or sacrifice your bottom end for that blistering top end turbo power.
If you want a FI system that is incredibly reliable and will last you a very long time with practically no extra maintenance needed than supercharger is the way to go. Great for street (stop light to stoplight) racing. Easily installable by yourself with basic tools and an instruction manual.
It just depends on what your goals are and what your willing to do or pay for them.
Ugh
Myself, unlike very many, like the supercharger better. For one, it's a simpler setup. Also, in my opinon, alot safer too. The reason being, your just throwing more air into the chamber, rather than using expelled hot air to get power. As far as reliability, it all depends on how well the setup is done and taken care of. With a supercharger, initial setup is very easy and it would be hard to do something wrong. (Just remember to add a FPR so you don't detonate the head). With a turbo, not only are there so many parts, but you have to tune it out in many different aspects for it to run proper. Plus, there are some added "care" bonuses that tag along with turbo (as far as reliability and longevity goes). For example, it would be smart to let the engine idle for a couple minutes before turning off the motor so you dont get dry spin (no oil being sprayed on turbine). Also, with turbos oil changes are recommended alot more often than stock.
As far as power:
Turbo = hella more hp/tq for the sheer fact that you can keep adding psi. I suggest running no higher than 7 psi on a stock motor. Anything higher will put more stress on the motor than isn't necessary. So, if you go turbo for hp/tq, the output will be roughly the same if running comparable psi to the supercharger. If you are looking for mad power like some turbo equiped imprts have, expect to spend hella money for internals just so you can crank that psi up a couple points.
Supercharger = As said previously, the output would generally be the same as a turbo, give or take 10hp. Plus, the supercharger is ON-TAP. That means as soon as you give the system some gas, its already forcing massive air into the combustion chamber. True, it runs off a pulley system, but that is it (besides the supercharger and belt). No need for worrying about cooling system, overheating, or drilling (creating) oil feeds.
In the end, if you are willing to spend a bundle on an FI system, and have good tuning skills or are taking it to a shop that has precise tuning skills, I would highly recommend a turbo. Also, you must be willing to deal with those extra bonuses we discussed. One last thing, with a turbo you have the option of selecting a turbo size which means you can get incredible power in low rpms (spooled by 1500rpm) go midsize and have turbo power midrange, or sacrifice your bottom end for that blistering top end turbo power.
If you want a FI system that is incredibly reliable and will last you a very long time with practically no extra maintenance needed than supercharger is the way to go. Great for street (stop light to stoplight) racing. Easily installable by yourself with basic tools and an instruction manual.
It just depends on what your goals are and what your willing to do or pay for them.
Ugh
i agree with you mostly but superchargers usually put out way more than 10 less hp. SC's just don't make very good peak numbers even though it's instant boost but then again if you get a resaonable trim turbo spool up won't be a problem. I've raced plenty of JRSC/Vortech SC cars and my spool up time isn't even a factor (ball bearing IHI turbo) A turbo timer is recommended but i just sit in my car for about 30 seconds after i drive it, it's not a big deal at all. I still change my oil at 3000 miles, just use mobil 1 or some other good synthetic.
All in all i'd have to say turbo...i've never lost to a jrsc honda (except a jdm jrsc prelude which is a beast), never gotten to race a vortech si although they have horrible power bands and are dyno queens. Most the vortech SI's are still running 14's at the track. Also i run 8-10 psi on the street daily, it's tuned with the AFC hack and i haven't had a problem yet. There are some LS turbo guys running 10-12 psi making 280 whp on pump gas...it's all in the tuning.
08-23-2003 | 02:22 PM
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Haha. Once I saw "brag" in the subject line, I knew I'd see certain people post in here. :chuckles:
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08-23-2003 | 07:40 PM
#30
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Originally posted by undrgrndhaqer
You should try racing my JRSC GSR/civic when its finished. It's gonna be a pretty quick little beast!
You should try racing my JRSC GSR/civic when its finished. It's gonna be a pretty quick little beast!
eh....your civic does weigh a few hundred pounds lighter than a GSR but still that motor/sc combo just didn't impress me with the ones that i ran (maybe they needed the boost upgrade pulley)
if i can't take you down in my civic, i also have a project SE-R coming along, should be about low 12's pending traction, i think that could handle a jrsc gsr civic :fawk: