Which one would you choose and why?
01-29-2004 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by westcoaststyle
You bring back a super dead thread just to talk crap? You really need to do some research before you start posting stupid ass crap. 
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01-29-2004 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by westcoaststyle
You bring back a super dead thread just to talk crap? You really need to do some research before you start posting stupid ass crap. h:
h:Right now my 2000 Civic EX 5spd is stock, but I'm planning on installing a Jackson Racing supercharger kit as soon as I have enough money (which should be in about three weeks). I'm not trying to race anyone here, I just want my car to be a little quicker.
And, please, let's not flame here. I'm just stating my honest opinion on the whole turbo/super thing.
01-29-2004 | 09:33 AM
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superchargers often run hotter, increase intake temperature more, put more parasitic drag on your motor, and put more stress on your water and oil cooling systems. Basically, anything that force-feeds your engine will decrease its functional life, but a well-designed turbo kit is actually better for the longevity of an engine than most supercharger kits. Moreover, it isn't constantly used (only when spooled), so you could drive gingerly and incur NO MORE wear than normal driving on a stock engine.
01-29-2004 | 05:05 PM
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did people skip my post?
and i didn't take his post to be slanderous:dunno:
and i didn't take his post to be slanderous:dunno:
01-29-2004 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Labrador
I'm not talking crap here, dude. What I'm saying is that although turbos WILL win races, they simply aren't as durable or reliable. If some of you guys have had success with these engine-destroyers, then I'm very happy for you. But superchargers are kind and gentle to your engine, and if someone wants a RELIABLE Honda Civic that's considerably faster than stock, turbo simply isn't an option. Plus superchargers provide that satisfying low-end torque you simply don't get in a turbo. Sorry man, but that's just the way it is.
Right now my 2000 Civic EX 5spd is stock, but I'm planning on installing a Jackson Racing supercharger kit as soon as I have enough money (which should be in about three weeks). I'm not trying to race anyone here, I just want my car to be a little quicker.
And, please, let's not flame here. I'm just stating my honest opinion on the whole turbo/super thing.
Right now my 2000 Civic EX 5spd is stock, but I'm planning on installing a Jackson Racing supercharger kit as soon as I have enough money (which should be in about three weeks). I'm not trying to race anyone here, I just want my car to be a little quicker.
And, please, let's not flame here. I'm just stating my honest opinion on the whole turbo/super thing.
I have a turbo, I make ~300 whp daily and it runs great. SleeperCivicEX has had a turbo for over 2 years running at 11psi daily and dragging almost every weekend. His runs great too.
I can respect an opinion about most things, but when technical isses are brought into the conversation I expect some facts to back it up.
h:That's all I'm saying.
01-29-2004 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bumnah
putting a turbo on a 4 banger increases it's effeciency. the reason you can put a parasitic drag component like a supercharger on a mustang and f150 and a regal, is because they are all higher displacement. a sohc puts out barely over 100 hp to the wheels, and like 90 lbs of torque. that's not the best setup for a blower.
turbo is spooled up by your waste, increasing your effeciency of the motor.
now how well it does, depends on tuning. you can have a fully forged block with all the bells and whistles but unless it's tuned properly it's going to run like crap and blow just as quick.
honda motors are the most over engineered engines around, they can take the added abuse (eventually a rebuild is necessary), but with proper fuel and air mixture you can keep pretty good reliablity. score yourself a hondata.
get a turbo, and hondata with the boost option. get it tuned and you'll make good hp.
turbo is spooled up by your waste, increasing your effeciency of the motor.
now how well it does, depends on tuning. you can have a fully forged block with all the bells and whistles but unless it's tuned properly it's going to run like crap and blow just as quick.
honda motors are the most over engineered engines around, they can take the added abuse (eventually a rebuild is necessary), but with proper fuel and air mixture you can keep pretty good reliablity. score yourself a hondata.
get a turbo, and hondata with the boost option. get it tuned and you'll make good hp.
01-29-2004 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by white_n_slow
superchargers often run hotter, increase intake temperature more, put more parasitic drag on your motor, and put more stress on your water and oil cooling systems. Basically, anything that force-feeds your engine will decrease its functional life, but a well-designed turbo kit is actually better for the longevity of an engine than most supercharger kits. Moreover, it isn't constantly used (only when spooled), so you could drive gingerly and incur NO MORE wear than normal driving on a stock engine.
01-29-2004 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by white_n_slow
superchargers often run hotter, increase intake temperature more, put more parasitic drag on your motor, and put more stress on your water and oil cooling systems. Basically, anything that force-feeds your engine will decrease its functional life, but a well-designed turbo kit is actually better for the longevity of an engine than most supercharger kits.
Any decent turbocharger system is much, much more engine friendly than the average supercharger.
Even if we look at factory solutions, think of how many cars do and have come turbocharged from the factory. Two words: turbo diesel. I won't even bother listing examples because they're virtually limitless.
Originally Posted by Labrador
(Think about this; the legendary Mustang Cobra, F-150 Lightning, and Buick Regal SC all use a supercharger, while those POS volkswagens and mitsubishis and subarus use turbos.)