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#61
Originally posted by zang42
i have a d-series in my 99 ex and it's good for now... pretty decent w/ i/h/e and pulleys. one more year and i'm swapping in a B18C5 and nicely boosting it!
i have a d-series in my 99 ex and it's good for now... pretty decent w/ i/h/e and pulleys. one more year and i'm swapping in a B18C5 and nicely boosting it!
#64
Originally posted by Jafro
D's aren't so bad, but certainly not built for boost from the factory. If you're going to try to make real power with it, always use a block guard. The full-floating sleeve design of the D series engine doesn't play well with boost.
Get the Eagle rods because the factory rod isn't rated for what a boosted engine's cylinder pressures hit, and if you have a 1.6L, you can get the Eagle crank, too. It's not available for the 1.5L. Use ARP head studs, main studs, and rod bolts with a metal head gasket, Those items are crucial to the bottom end of your block staying together, and keeping everything upstairs bolted on without turning your fluids into a milkshake.
The stock pistons will shatter when you try to press them off the stock rods, so count on replacing them, too. Preferably with 8.0:1-8.5:1 forged pistons, and TotalSeal rings. Clevite bearings would be a serious plus.
Once you add up all that crap, you'll see that you just bought a B-series for what it costs, but you'll be able to hold sick boost pressures and generate a lot of power. I prefer to buy an engine that was already turbo'ed since it already has all the expensive hardware in it, and it's usually already beefy enough to hold more.
It's just too bad Honda only makes factory turbocharged jet-skis. I wonder if I could swap my EG with one of those? They make like 170hp already, and I could prolly fit two of them under the hood... nah! I'll stick with my D15B7!
D's aren't so bad, but certainly not built for boost from the factory. If you're going to try to make real power with it, always use a block guard. The full-floating sleeve design of the D series engine doesn't play well with boost.
Get the Eagle rods because the factory rod isn't rated for what a boosted engine's cylinder pressures hit, and if you have a 1.6L, you can get the Eagle crank, too. It's not available for the 1.5L. Use ARP head studs, main studs, and rod bolts with a metal head gasket, Those items are crucial to the bottom end of your block staying together, and keeping everything upstairs bolted on without turning your fluids into a milkshake.
The stock pistons will shatter when you try to press them off the stock rods, so count on replacing them, too. Preferably with 8.0:1-8.5:1 forged pistons, and TotalSeal rings. Clevite bearings would be a serious plus.
Once you add up all that crap, you'll see that you just bought a B-series for what it costs, but you'll be able to hold sick boost pressures and generate a lot of power. I prefer to buy an engine that was already turbo'ed since it already has all the expensive hardware in it, and it's usually already beefy enough to hold more.
It's just too bad Honda only makes factory turbocharged jet-skis. I wonder if I could swap my EG with one of those? They make like 170hp already, and I could prolly fit two of them under the hood... nah! I'll stick with my D15B7!
I wouldn't go that low with the compression ratio because a 1.6L with that low a compression will suck ass. I'd rather use ACL bearings because that's what lots of guys use (as do I.)
#66
Originally posted by ManTiS
Some things: I wouldn't even buy an Eagle crank unless I was loaded. The Honda crank is fine. I also wouldn't touch a blockguard unless I was willing to rebore + wield it in.
I wouldn't go that low with the compression ratio because a 1.6L with that low a compression will suck ass. I'd rather use ACL bearings because that's what lots of guys use (as do I.)
Some things: I wouldn't even buy an Eagle crank unless I was loaded. The Honda crank is fine. I also wouldn't touch a blockguard unless I was willing to rebore + wield it in.
I wouldn't go that low with the compression ratio because a 1.6L with that low a compression will suck ass. I'd rather use ACL bearings because that's what lots of guys use (as do I.)
I'm a boost junkie. I couldn't stand limiting myself to 7 PSI for fear that I'll blow a head gasket or break a crank, and compared to the cost of a whole new engine, that crank isn't really that expensive. You CAN'T run sick boost levels on the stock Honda crank. Maybe 7-9 PSI for a little while, but it's not beefy enough to handle it over time. That may be fine for some, it wouldn't be for ME for what I'd want to do to it because 7-9 PSI in a well tuned civic still won't whip up on that many cars. It will destroy some, but not the ones that I'm after.
I'm talkin' 18+ PSI which could produce ridiculous numbers... and boost like that without low compression isn't a very good idea unless you've got an enormous intercooler, and an unobtanium head gasket. The block I was describing would probably hold 20~24 PSI, and for that, you'd HAVE to have an Eagle crank because the D series rotating assembly is so tiny and lightweight... Hey, at least it's ALL forged unlike alot of other MFR's OEM crap, so it's not all bad.
D series floating combustion chambers wander around and warp like hell when you increase the cylinder pressure (supercharger, turbo, N2O), I don't think they're well suited for reliable turbo applications without modifications... But that's my opinion. The cost of machining one for a sleeve makes the B or H series a lot more practical, but those blocks have their shortcomings with turbo setups as well. They to need to be sleeved for what's considered high boost pressures or else they'll eventually leave a steaming oily turd on the tarmac.
The place I get my bearings from has really good deals on Clevites, and I'm a cheap bastard sometimes. Clevites are better than most stock bearings. It all comes down to preference, really. ACL is an excelent choice as well. Might even be better than Clevites, but I'm not sponsored yet.
I guess what I'm saying is that bolting a turbo kit on isn't the end-all mod for civics like some treat it. It will give a little boost in performance, but in order to fully utilize your turbo's capability, and make it a reliable car, you'll have to build the bottom end of a D series block to hold it. Most "small" turbos are capable of flowing better at higher pressures than a D series OEM rotating assembly and block can handle. a 14b is good for 17 PSI, and flows in the neighborhood of 380 CFM. A 13c can do 320CFM at 15 PSI, and will spool so much faster than most of the popular turbos (you can find those used for under $125). It seems like a shame to limit them to half of their effective potential just because you didn't spring for the internals. Spending money on internals is worth it because it lets you milk every drop of performance out of the rest of your investment, but you've really got to love your Honda a lot to spend what it takes to run 13's or better.
I built my D series for economy (so did Honda). I'm really happy with it that way, too. I'd never boost this engine when I could by a whole 90-94 FWD turbo DSM for less than what a Civic turbo kit would cost, and it would be faster anyways. Anyone that can get a civic in the 13's deserves credit. Or should I say... Credit relief? I'd hate to pay off that bill, so I'd just rather appreciate the people who do for the sake of my entertainment. All the stuff is available to build an absurdly strong and powerful D series that would make you laugh at a B series swap, but it costs just as much to do it either way.