Why does EVERY honda dealer do this to me?
#21
This sounds much more like a problem caused by worn rings/seals than a faulty oil pump. Is there any oil noticeable on or below the engine? If not, a compression test would be your friend. After you replace the PCV Valve.
#22
I drive the motor hard. 5 weeks was about 500 miles. I don't drive much. Then the 3 weeks was like 300 probably. There is no visable spots. My compression was 180 on the 1st 3 but the 4th was 178. Does that mean the ring is bad?
#23
No, that's plenty of compression, but what are the numbers from all 4 cylinders? Usually there's some variation between them. I think the service limit is like 135 or something like that, so your valve seals are probably okay, too...
Replace your PCV and check the bottom of your timing cover. I bet you $5 I could find an oil leak on your car somewhere if you're losing oil like that.
If you were burning as much oil as you described, you'd see at least SOME smoke from the exhaust. Get someone to follow you.
Replace your PCV and check the bottom of your timing cover. I bet you $5 I could find an oil leak on your car somewhere if you're losing oil like that.
If you were burning as much oil as you described, you'd see at least SOME smoke from the exhaust. Get someone to follow you.
#24
Originally Posted by Jafro
No, that's plenty of compression, but what are the numbers from all 4 cylinders? Usually there's some variation between them. I think the service limit is like 135 or something like that, so your valve seals are probably okay, too...
Replace your PCV and check the bottom of your timing cover. I bet you $5 I could find an oil leak on your car somewhere if you're losing oil like that.
If you were burning as much oil as you described, you'd see at least SOME smoke from the exhaust. Get someone to follow you.
Replace your PCV and check the bottom of your timing cover. I bet you $5 I could find an oil leak on your car somewhere if you're losing oil like that.
If you were burning as much oil as you described, you'd see at least SOME smoke from the exhaust. Get someone to follow you.
#25
Originally Posted by Omniscient
The smoke would be a blue tintish smoke right? I've had people follow me they said they can't see anything. the only thing I can think of is it's down by the pump and the gasket might be bad or something.
Originally Posted by Omniscient
There is ONE SLIGHT, SLIGHT, VERY SLIGHT, leak comming from the oil cam seal on the distributor side. It's not even really a leak but if you rub your finger around it you get some oil on your finger.
You're not going to find the leak standing over the engine. Oil drips down, so it should be collecting on something on the bottom of the engine underneath where it's leaking... like on your crossmember, transmission, oil pan or timing cover. You're going to have to get under the car in order to pinpoint where it's leaking from, and once you do, start replacing seals on that side of the motor until it stops leaking. Engine degreasers contain oil, so they have a tendency to hide oil leaks. They're okay for caked on filth, but when you're done with that, go to a pep boys or advance auto and get a few cans of 2+2 (or Gum Cutter). It's the best carb cleaner/parts cleaner you can get in a spray can. It works especially well if you have access to compressed air and can blow-dry the areas you spray it on. Be careful to wipe it off of anything rubber immediately, and also be mindful that it instantly strips paint and ruins powder coating. Clean any dirty or oily areas on the motor with it until they're chalky and dry. Drive the car, then get under it again and check for new oil.
Replace that o-ring, replace your $5 PCV valve, run your finger along the base of your timing cover, oil pan, transmission bell housing, crossmember, and around the block where the oil pan bolts up. Clean everything until it's dry, look for oil trails with a flashlight. 60k isn't enough mileage to warrant doing anything to the oil pump.
That's all I'm going to say on this topic. I've covered EVERYTHING that could cause your problem in this thread already, and if you're going to fix your oil level situation, you need to either start doing some of these things, or take it to another shop and tell the mechanic "find my oil leak, plea$e". A mechanic will do exactly what I just described to find it, (I used to be a mechanic) he just won't have to work as hard as you will because he'll have lifts, lights, and air tools... and buys 2+2 by the case.
#26
Originally Posted by Jafro
Not only is it blue smoke, but it should collect in a dirty film on the back of your car. It's more likely to be an oil seal on one of the shafts that protrude from the front case rather than a gasket because the sealant that Honda uses to assemble the block is some hardcore stuff.
That's the bad distributor o-ring that I mentioned in my first post. 3 bolts and a $.50 part later, you'll be able to seal that back up. Pop your distributor cap and check the inside of it to make sure it's dry as well. Sometimes oil can leak inside the distributor if the bearing in it is on its way out.
You're not going to find the leak standing over the engine. Oil drips down, so it should be collecting on something on the bottom of the engine underneath where it's leaking... like on your crossmember, transmission, oil pan or timing cover. You're going to have to get under the car in order to pinpoint where it's leaking from, and once you do, start replacing seals on that side of the motor until it stops leaking. Engine degreasers contain oil, so they have a tendency to hide oil leaks. They're okay for caked on filth, but when you're done with that, go to a pep boys or advance auto and get a few cans of 2+2 (or Gum Cutter). It's the best carb cleaner/parts cleaner you can get in a spray can. It works especially well if you have access to compressed air and can blow-dry the areas you spray it on. Be careful to wipe it off of anything rubber immediately, and also be mindful that it instantly strips paint and ruins powder coating. Clean any dirty or oily areas on the motor with it until they're chalky and dry. Drive the car, then get under it again and check for new oil.
Replace that o-ring, replace your $5 PCV valve, run your finger along the base of your timing cover, oil pan, transmission bell housing, crossmember, and around the block where the oil pan bolts up. Clean everything until it's dry, look for oil trails with a flashlight. 60k isn't enough mileage to warrant doing anything to the oil pump.
That's all I'm going to say on this topic. I've covered EVERYTHING that could cause your problem in this thread already, and if you're going to fix your oil level situation, you need to either start doing some of these things, or take it to another shop and tell the mechanic "find my oil leak, plea$e". A mechanic will do exactly what I just described to find it, (I used to be a mechanic) he just won't have to work as hard as you will because he'll have lifts, lights, and air tools... and buys 2+2 by the case.
That's the bad distributor o-ring that I mentioned in my first post. 3 bolts and a $.50 part later, you'll be able to seal that back up. Pop your distributor cap and check the inside of it to make sure it's dry as well. Sometimes oil can leak inside the distributor if the bearing in it is on its way out.
You're not going to find the leak standing over the engine. Oil drips down, so it should be collecting on something on the bottom of the engine underneath where it's leaking... like on your crossmember, transmission, oil pan or timing cover. You're going to have to get under the car in order to pinpoint where it's leaking from, and once you do, start replacing seals on that side of the motor until it stops leaking. Engine degreasers contain oil, so they have a tendency to hide oil leaks. They're okay for caked on filth, but when you're done with that, go to a pep boys or advance auto and get a few cans of 2+2 (or Gum Cutter). It's the best carb cleaner/parts cleaner you can get in a spray can. It works especially well if you have access to compressed air and can blow-dry the areas you spray it on. Be careful to wipe it off of anything rubber immediately, and also be mindful that it instantly strips paint and ruins powder coating. Clean any dirty or oily areas on the motor with it until they're chalky and dry. Drive the car, then get under it again and check for new oil.
Replace that o-ring, replace your $5 PCV valve, run your finger along the base of your timing cover, oil pan, transmission bell housing, crossmember, and around the block where the oil pan bolts up. Clean everything until it's dry, look for oil trails with a flashlight. 60k isn't enough mileage to warrant doing anything to the oil pump.
That's all I'm going to say on this topic. I've covered EVERYTHING that could cause your problem in this thread already, and if you're going to fix your oil level situation, you need to either start doing some of these things, or take it to another shop and tell the mechanic "find my oil leak, plea$e". A mechanic will do exactly what I just described to find it, (I used to be a mechanic) he just won't have to work as hard as you will because he'll have lifts, lights, and air tools... and buys 2+2 by the case.
I work 6 days a week 3rd shift 60+ hours a week. I don't have time to hunt down an oil leak, in comes the mechanic. I actually walked out last thursday. I can't stand that place. I don't know if I'm still even working there. But anway, I've done everyting on my car so far. With jackstands that extend to 14", on my back, in my driveway. I just need a break for a change.
#28
Originally Posted by Omniscient
I work 6 days a week 3rd shift 60+ hours a week. I don't have time to hunt down an oil leak, in comes the mechanic. I actually walked out last thursday. I can't stand that place. I don't know if I'm still even working there. But anway, I've done everyting on my car so far. With jackstands that extend to 14", on my back, in my driveway. I just need a break for a change.
I know you'll get it sorted out one way or anyother. Maybe try the parking-over-paper thing. Anything will work, cardboard, old blanket that you don't care about, etc... That's the lazy way to determine whether or not it's leaking.
#29
Originally Posted by Jafro
I feel for ya man. I work 2 jobs, have a high-maintenance female, a high maintenance daily driver and 2 more rusty old project cars that I'm supposed to swap, and never enough time to finish my laundry or eat the food I brought home in a doggie box; yet... just like you... I can somehow find the time to ramble on about my cars and problems in internet forums at any hour of the day. How does that work? :chuckles:
I know you'll get it sorted out one way or anyother. Maybe try the parking-over-paper thing. Anything will work, cardboard, old blanket that you don't care about, etc... That's the lazy way to determine whether or not it's leaking.
I know you'll get it sorted out one way or anyother. Maybe try the parking-over-paper thing. Anything will work, cardboard, old blanket that you don't care about, etc... That's the lazy way to determine whether or not it's leaking.