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Old 05-02-2004 | 09:29 AM
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Can someone explane to me clearly what is the difference between theses two types of headers ? And which one would be best for my 93 civic Si hatchback with Cold air intake and Catback exaust ??
Old 05-02-2004 | 09:37 AM
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it depends on your budget and where you want to make power (in a relative sesne).
Old 05-02-2004 | 09:43 AM
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budget is not an issue, but i don't have enough for FI yet
Old 05-02-2004 | 12:48 PM
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The 4-2-1 header is mainly used for giving mid to low-end torque.
The 4-1 is designed for high-end torque

The 4-2-1 will take a while for you to even feel anything
The 4-1 is more of a feel it when you stomp type of thing

(even though a header will give you a max of +2 HP :chuckles:, but still better than a stock header )
Old 05-02-2004 | 01:45 PM
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thats only coz stock civic headers are actually pretty well flowing.. when compared to other makes of cars... when i put a header on mine it gained 20 HP. and it only has 110 stock.
Old 05-02-2004 | 02:25 PM
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what would be better for a vtec civic?? would i loose my low end torque with 4-1 header ?
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its pretty much up to you. You wouldnt lose your low end, youlle just be gaining some highs.
What are your plans with this car?
Old 05-02-2004 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FordTuner
when i put a header on mine it gained 20 HP. and it only has 110 stock.
:lmfao: I am afraid that not even v8's get 20 horses to the wheels with a header. Anyhow 4-1 is where its at, think about how many times you will ever use the rpm's below 3k in racing. The low-end doesnt matter then does it. You gotta think where your powerband is and why it is where it is.
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really, it doesn't make much of a difference if i/h/e is all you plan to do.

If you do more meaningful mods like upgraded cam or headwork or higher compression pistons, the 4-1 will help extract the most from these types of upgrades. Likewise, a header will be helpful if you plan to use nitrous. IMO, buying a header for an internally stock d-series motor is just kinda silly.
Old 05-02-2004 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by white_n_slow
really, it doesn't make much of a difference if i/h/e is all you plan to do.

If you do more meaningful mods like upgraded cam or headwork or higher compression pistons, the 4-1 will help extract the most from these types of upgrades. Likewise, a header will be helpful if you plan to use nitrous. IMO, buying a header for an internally stock d-series motor is just kinda silly.
I am with you...I have the 4-1 JDM header on my b16a, and I felt a lil if any difference over stock. I dont think it even comes close to mattering on the D series what so ever... there isnt enough flow really to matter...save your money for either a swap or turbo...a header is a waste of money.
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