I just like having my own personalized sports car that I built up rather than a ford that any gap toothed off shore worker is driving around.

 

If you want a Muscle Car I would try and find a real Muscle Car Era car that was restored in the 80s because it will be in decent shape, and be cheaper. And they all had huge engines, and no computers to **** everything up. Sure they probably handle like ass but in a straightline they will own.

 

ummm my cousin just got a 2000 mustang gt for 14500 thats stock with 260hp and 305 torque... and it only had 11000 miles on it... now to say that 8000 worth of mods will make ur civic AS RELIABLE as a stock one is BULL SH1t.... and a STOCK mustang with that much hp will be as reliable as a moded civic unless its just motor swap and nothing else.... and plus the mustang has warrenty...so u my friend are a moron

 

then lick my balls and get out of the civic forum.

the civic would be just as reliable with a swapped motor and turbo if done correctly. you my friend are the moron. a swapped crvtec built properly even with 6psi of boost would last just as long as your tang motor and whip the phug out of it.

get the mustang and get lost

 

its all what you are looking for. you can buy an old ass RX box o bolts from mazda (i still love the old rotarys)for a few hundred, build it, boost it, and juce it and be in sub 10 second range for well less than $10K but do you want to drive that car daily? it all comes down to what you want

 

14 flat my ass! My cousin has a 94 Trans Am Auto (14.4 in the quarter) with intake and exhaust and he stomps on his roomates 2002 GT with an exhaust. And I have completely trashed the Trans Am on several occasions in my civic. I raced the 2002 GT in my SE and he only beat me by half a length to about 100MPH. I personally have owned a 93' Z28 (piece of **** reliability wise) and could bash modded stangs in stock form easily. I actually like the new stangs looks and interior but the previous gen stangs suck ass reliability wise IMO. It's all about personal taste but stangs are really not that fast and the handling needs much work when compared to even a stock SI, GSR, etc. Like anything else though, they have tons of potential and the new motors are much, much stronger than the crappy 5.0L. The 5.0L block is a joke. And you still must remember the power to weight ratio. And stangs are expensive to mod just like any other car. My brother in law is getting a 2001 GT on the 19th and he already has $4,000.00 saved for mods so I will let you know how his car compares to my civic once it's done. But let's not hate guys, it's all about personal taste. In my personal experience though it's the domestics that have the problems with the imports and not the other way around. My cousins roomate was really surprised that he did not completely waste my four door sedan. granted, my sedan cost quite a bit more but he really thought his muscle car was the ****. Oh, and last weekend he was stomped by a modded RSX (owned by my wifes cousin) that runs a 14.7(slow considering it has a 100 shot of NOS on top of everything else). Just about any car can be fast.

 

i find mustangs by exposure to be excessively complicated, (fords in general), and their engines aren;t really built for the stress they were intended for. My boys got one with somewhere between 40-60,000 miles and already had a new engine covered under warranty because of a headgasket issue. sort of disconcerting. that thing is like a 1995 i think.

 

if u swap motor and CORRECTLY done turbo would cost u WAY over 8grand in just modifications.... even if u just swaped a b18 in for 3500 bux then got a drag kit for 3000...thats still 6500 and thats not done CORRECTLY u still havent build the engine for the turbo.... so unless u want 6psi all the time and never wanna use the turbo then sure do it..... properly setup turbo would cost arround 4-5 grand plus 3500 for a proper motor swap.... think about it kid..

 

as far as realiability is concerned... a few months ago at a meeting between ford execs and the dealer representatives where a discussion was held about the continuing decline in sales, the CEO of ford said that the problem is clear and that ford is planning to raise the reliability and build-quality of their vehicles to almost match those of toyota and honda. i dunno maybe its just me, but that seems to be a clear admission to the poor quality of the vehicle. as far as personal experience is concerned, i fully understand the appeal of a muscle car. my dream car is the AC shelby cobra. and at some point i want to restore an old vette. but the simple truth is no matter how many times american car lovers beat their chests in anger and support of their product, it is a simple fact of life that american cars are not built as well as most imports. i'm not talking about the "fun" factor or the speed/power issue. i have driven many mustangs and camaros/firebirds and couldn't help but smile as i took off, down the road, tires smoking, engine roaring the way only a muscle car engine can. but i also have had many experiences where i would drive a muscle car thats a mere 1.5 years old with less then 20,000 miles on it and the inside rattled like crazy with every pebble i hit and the car shook and felt unstable in every little turn. not to mention all my friends who have owned modern muscle cars and have unanimously agreed that its a car you buy if you don't mind the constant repairs. and even if you have your warranty, do you want to spend that much time sitting in a dealership waiting for your car to be fixed every week? yes a stock civic is slow as steam rising off dgo ****. i know. i have one. i don't pretend its an exotic sports car, or a muscle car, cause it's not. and it doesn't try to be. its daily, reliable driver that looks good IMO and has potential for what i plan to do in the foreseeable future. and i have 0 envy for some kid that pulls up next to me in 2 year old Z28 and proceeds to fly ahead of me because i know he has to drive that fast to make it the dealership on time before they close so they can fix yet another problem with it. this domestic vs import arguement wil not end anytime soon. and all it ever does is deteriorate into insults. they both have ther pluses and minuses. personaly i think these differences are great and make the whole car hobby more enticing. where would the fun be if every car performed and looked exactly the same way?

 

you are a smart man =)