need LS swap advice...
10-29-2003 | 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by Kai
Yes, hybridgarage is wrong on this one.
Yes, hybridgarage is wrong on this one.
But yup, Jafro, it is quite doable. Let us know how it goes.
10-30-2003 | 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by agent87
But yup, Jafro, it is quite doable. Let us know how it goes.
But yup, Jafro, it is quite doable. Let us know how it goes.
Oh, and Kai... DSM shifters ARE a pain in the ass. I've broken mine off in my hand going 105mph before. Picked up my hand (with the shifter still in it) like.... WTF?!?!?!? The linkage isn't as delicate as their gearboxes, though.
10-30-2003 | 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by Jafro
Thread jacking is common these days, but I tolerate it. I'll have the car towed to the shop some time next week, and I'll check it for sure. For the record, it's a '93 GS. 1.8L, DOHC. The owner told me it was a B18B1, and he's a friend of mine, but that doesn't necessarily mean he knew what he was talking about. There seems to be a huge grey area and a lot of conflicting info about this car everywhere. That's why I asked about it, I was sure it would start a debate.
I just hope I can put it in my hatch without having to spend $500 on mounts. My civic has solid shift linkage. Couldn't I just mount the cable shifter in place of my civic shifter? That shouldn't be that hard to do should it? I don't see why that wouldn't work if I have a donor car. I have a TIG welder at the shop.
Yup. You DO. (for now :snicker: ) That's damn impressive, really. Your car is fast as hell.
That's going to look incredible in your engine bay if you can squeeze it in somewhere. It isn't small. Have you pulled your evaporative emissions crap yet? There's room there for it if you haven't
Right around where the charcoal canister "used to be".
Which cars? The DSMs? or the Civic? or the Integra?
I don't have pics of the Integra yet. I have pictures of the Honda, but they're nothing to brag about. I posted one in someone's thread once, and it killed the thread. That's okay, that thread needed to die. When the Integra gets to the shop next week, I'll get pics of it.
I have tons of pics of my DSMs. The GS was murdered in '01, but the GSX lives on... well... sort of. It's in a thousand pieces right now, but for its own good. Here's a pic of them side-by-side. If you want to see more of them, say so. I don't know how well received DSMs are in a Honda-Acura forum. Before the GS died, I swapped a bunch of parts off of it to make the GSX look sleepy. I hated the 95-96 OEM 16" wheels on the turbo models. I like the GS wheels a lot better.
Thread jacking is common these days, but I tolerate it. I'll have the car towed to the shop some time next week, and I'll check it for sure. For the record, it's a '93 GS. 1.8L, DOHC. The owner told me it was a B18B1, and he's a friend of mine, but that doesn't necessarily mean he knew what he was talking about. There seems to be a huge grey area and a lot of conflicting info about this car everywhere. That's why I asked about it, I was sure it would start a debate.
I just hope I can put it in my hatch without having to spend $500 on mounts. My civic has solid shift linkage. Couldn't I just mount the cable shifter in place of my civic shifter? That shouldn't be that hard to do should it? I don't see why that wouldn't work if I have a donor car. I have a TIG welder at the shop.
Yup. You DO. (for now :snicker: ) That's damn impressive, really. Your car is fast as hell.
That's going to look incredible in your engine bay if you can squeeze it in somewhere. It isn't small. Have you pulled your evaporative emissions crap yet? There's room there for it if you haven't
Right around where the charcoal canister "used to be".Which cars? The DSMs? or the Civic? or the Integra?
I don't have pics of the Integra yet. I have pictures of the Honda, but they're nothing to brag about. I posted one in someone's thread once, and it killed the thread. That's okay, that thread needed to die. When the Integra gets to the shop next week, I'll get pics of it.
I have tons of pics of my DSMs. The GS was murdered in '01, but the GSX lives on... well... sort of. It's in a thousand pieces right now, but for its own good. Here's a pic of them side-by-side. If you want to see more of them, say so. I don't know how well received DSMs are in a Honda-Acura forum. Before the GS died, I swapped a bunch of parts off of it to make the GSX look sleepy. I hated the 95-96 OEM 16" wheels on the turbo models. I like the GS wheels a lot better.
The teeth in those images is killiing me hahaha!!
Nice man, they look good. Too bad for the one, but you got to keep the GSX at least
I'd help you install that motor if I lived closer.... :sad:
10-30-2003 | 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by westcoaststyle
:rofl:
The teeth in those images is killiing me hahaha!!
Nice man, they look good. Too bad for the one, but you got to keep the GSX at least
I'd help you install that motor if I lived closer.... :sad:
:rofl:
The teeth in those images is killiing me hahaha!!
Nice man, they look good. Too bad for the one, but you got to keep the GSX at least
I'd help you install that motor if I lived closer.... :sad:
You should have seen my reaction when my neighbor was beating on my door at 6:50 AM.... "Someone just hit your car!!!!" and I was like "which one?" and she pointed in the direction of the GS... "SWEET!" I started jumping up and down and celebrating. I put a lot of work into that car, and it sucked to see it go, but it was for sale at the time, and the price was right... I bought the civic for 2/7 what I owed on the GS, and got to keep the wheels (and a mostly unmolested, freshly removed/cleaned/reinstalled interior). It costs 1/10th what it costs maintaining the civic than what that GS required. GS parts are freakin' expensive, and I don't know why because it's just a dodge neon with different PJ's.
That dude (74 yerar old man) drove straight through a fire hydrant, my car, 80 feet of parking lot, 2 curbs, 4 other cars, 2 bushes, a fence & 3 trash cans, and ended up in a creek. He was sober. He went about 300 feet destroying stuff, then got out of his car and started asking around for a lighter. There were car parts everywhere. He was driving the Green Chrysler that's in the background on the flatbed.
10-30-2003 | 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by Jafro
Before the GS died, I swapped a bunch of parts off of it to make the GSX look sleepy. I hated the 95-96 OEM 16" wheels on the turbo models. I like the GS wheels a lot better.
Before the GS died, I swapped a bunch of parts off of it to make the GSX look sleepy. I hated the 95-96 OEM 16" wheels on the turbo models. I like the GS wheels a lot better.
10-31-2003 | 05:41 AM
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Man, they look so dated. They truly scream "1990!", because that's when that style was really popular. I think the GS wheels look better, and they don't scream out "I have a turbo" to everybody. They're the same dimensions. 16x6.5. Of course, the '95 GS wheels are dated, too. I just think they look better than the swirlies. Especially rolling. I'm not one for making a car only look fast.
I've been thinking about making over the whole exterior to look GS-like. Painting the silver stripe around the base of the car the same color as the body, swapping out the tell-tale 2-pipe "Hey, I'm a turbo" OEM muffler for the 3" Apexi N1, and cut the "X" off the GSX sticker, or debadge it altogether. Debadged cars are cop magnets, though. At least I'd be impersponating a Neon in 3100lb clothing.
I've been thinking about making over the whole exterior to look GS-like. Painting the silver stripe around the base of the car the same color as the body, swapping out the tell-tale 2-pipe "Hey, I'm a turbo" OEM muffler for the 3" Apexi N1, and cut the "X" off the GSX sticker, or debadge it altogether. Debadged cars are cop magnets, though. At least I'd be impersponating a Neon in 3100lb clothing.
11-03-2003 | 05:12 PM
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The engine in the '93 Integra GS is a B18A1. Kai and agent87 were right on.
So '94 integra mounts bolt up to the '93 motor, eh? That's probably what I'll do. I can't afford the HAsport mounts.
Couldn't I just swap the clutch pedal assemblies and go cable-driven? Since I have the whole car...
So '94 integra mounts bolt up to the '93 motor, eh? That's probably what I'll do. I can't afford the HAsport mounts.
Couldn't I just swap the clutch pedal assemblies and go cable-driven? Since I have the whole car...
11-03-2003 | 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by Jafro
I've been thinking about making over the whole exterior to look GS-like. Painting the silver stripe (...) swapping out the tell-tale 2-pipe "Hey, I'm a turbo" OEM muffler (...) cut the "X" off the GSX
I've been thinking about making over the whole exterior to look GS-like. Painting the silver stripe (...) swapping out the tell-tale 2-pipe "Hey, I'm a turbo" OEM muffler (...) cut the "X" off the GSX
To be honest, I couldn't tell the difference in DSMs even if someone was standing beside me to point them out. If it doesn't have a sticker that says "Turbo," I'd never know.
The problem with swapping the clutch pedal assemblies is that they are two different chassis. Even though the '93 and '94 are similar in body size, you will have a hell of a time trying to swap any of the mechanicals. If you swap the entire transaxle, you can probably get a 94+ hydro for only a few bucks more then you can sell your '93 cable for.
If you can get a hold of 94+ Integra mounts, use them. The B18A and B18B use identical block castings, why they changed the name code from "A" to "B" is beyond me.
11-03-2003 | 10:48 PM
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Looks like I'm trading trannies then. Weird. I never thought I'd want to finish the DSM so I could work on my Honda. It's always been the other way around.
Only the 90-94 1G cars got the "turbo" badges. And you're right, only DSMers know the difference or would do something like this. No matter what I do to my civic, I'm leaving the CX badge and steelies on it with a generic muffler. That's just the DSMer in me. Maybe I'll trade up to the 14" steelies from the 'teg. Screw the goofy hubcaps, though.
Thanks for the info!!!
Only the 90-94 1G cars got the "turbo" badges. And you're right, only DSMers know the difference or would do something like this. No matter what I do to my civic, I'm leaving the CX badge and steelies on it with a generic muffler. That's just the DSMer in me. Maybe I'll trade up to the 14" steelies from the 'teg. Screw the goofy hubcaps, though.
Thanks for the info!!!
11-03-2003 | 10:56 PM
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The 16" turbo 2 wheels wont fit on your car I dont think. Only the GXL, T2, and convertible were 5 lug. And to put in the T2 motor you need to get:
Complete turbo engine with intercooler
Left-hand drive spec turbo wiring harness
Turbo ECU (jspec ecu will work, as well as convertible ecu of the same
year range)
*only for 87-88 turbo* knock control box, a small silver box up inside the
passenger kick panel that plugs into the wiring harness. On 89 and later
setups, the ecu handled this function.
turbo boost sensor.
Turbo throttle cable. 87-91 are interchangeable.
Stock turbo fuel pump (87-91 turbo pumps are the same, but the bracket is
not) or upgrade such as walbro 255. A rewire for full voltage from the
fusebox is also recommended, as well as a re-ground in the hatch to bare
metal, a new pickup screen and fuel filter.
Stock turbo intake duct with blow off valve (if not present on engine
already). The 87-88 TID is smaller than the 89-91, but either can be used
in place of the other. Blow off valves are slightly changed but basically
the same.
Stock t2 precat/downpipe and midpipe (bolts to main cat) or
aftermarket/custom equivalent.
T2 hood with scoop (unless you go front mount intercooler from day 1)
Turbo air flow meter (your old nonturbo afm will get you by if you cannot
find one, however the turbo afm is said to be calibrated for slightly
higher air flow on top end so it is something that might matter once you
begin to push the car).
Aftermarket boost gauge is recommended. Even though 89-91 owners can
install the 89-91 turbo gauge cluster and the gauge will work, it is still
not very helpful. 87-88 owners cannot install the stock turbo gauge cluster
and expect it to work, the wiring harness differs in this area.
Aftermarket upgraded clutch and pressureplate. Remember, you're buying
this for a nonturbo, not a turbo, since you're using your old NA drivetrain
still.
http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/
Complete turbo engine with intercooler
Left-hand drive spec turbo wiring harness
Turbo ECU (jspec ecu will work, as well as convertible ecu of the same
year range)
*only for 87-88 turbo* knock control box, a small silver box up inside the
passenger kick panel that plugs into the wiring harness. On 89 and later
setups, the ecu handled this function.
turbo boost sensor.
Turbo throttle cable. 87-91 are interchangeable.
Stock turbo fuel pump (87-91 turbo pumps are the same, but the bracket is
not) or upgrade such as walbro 255. A rewire for full voltage from the
fusebox is also recommended, as well as a re-ground in the hatch to bare
metal, a new pickup screen and fuel filter.
Stock turbo intake duct with blow off valve (if not present on engine
already). The 87-88 TID is smaller than the 89-91, but either can be used
in place of the other. Blow off valves are slightly changed but basically
the same.
Stock t2 precat/downpipe and midpipe (bolts to main cat) or
aftermarket/custom equivalent.
T2 hood with scoop (unless you go front mount intercooler from day 1)
Turbo air flow meter (your old nonturbo afm will get you by if you cannot
find one, however the turbo afm is said to be calibrated for slightly
higher air flow on top end so it is something that might matter once you
begin to push the car).
Aftermarket boost gauge is recommended. Even though 89-91 owners can
install the 89-91 turbo gauge cluster and the gauge will work, it is still
not very helpful. 87-88 owners cannot install the stock turbo gauge cluster
and expect it to work, the wiring harness differs in this area.
Aftermarket upgraded clutch and pressureplate. Remember, you're buying
this for a nonturbo, not a turbo, since you're using your old NA drivetrain
still.
http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/